Breast Feeding QA

Does Adderall cause hair loss????

admin — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

I am 31 and starting to loose my hair!!! I have a baby daughter who is now 8 months. When I saw my nurse practioner a few weeks ago she said it was just hormones. I think it may be Adderall. Does anyone know if Adderall really does cause hair loss???

I don’t know, but I do know it is *very* common to lose a bunch of hair after having a baby. I did it both times.

Response:

Yes, all the stimulants can do that. From what I have read from people’s stories. I read some people even developed Alopecia Aereota. I don’t know if it’s linked to stim usage, but I have to say I think it is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 31 and starting to loose my hair!!! I have a baby daughter who is now 8 months. When I saw my nurse practioner a few weeks ago she said it was just hormones. I think it may be Adderall. Does anyone know if Adderall really does cause hair loss??? thanks.

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I am 31 and starting to loose my hair!!!

Raw nerves

admin — Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi Deirdre, I believe you coped with your anxiety through anger. It is not so unusual. Sometimes things bottle up and explode when least expected. Take care, Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. — Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey Dierdre, I must say, like Jackie, we are all human and sometimes we act like it!! I have had those moments and I am a very mild-mannered person but there is just a button that sometimes gets pushed that sends me over the edge. In fact, right this second, I feel so much anger against someone who sent me a link to another forum where this person said terrible things about me. I don’t know why he felt the need to do this. One reply he got about me was "Panic, that’s a bunch of crap." My blood is boiling and I have fired off and email to him. I know sometimes our senses are very strong and things just feel bigger than what they are. I once ripped a check up into a million pieces and threw it in a store manager’s face! I had run out of checks and went to the bank and got some with my account number on it but they didn’t have our name. Had the manager handled things differently, I would have been ok but he was very condascending and LOL my husband knows when to walk away and act like he doesn’t know me!! That was many years ago, before I had panic. Anyway, don’t beat yourself up about this. At least you didn’t act on your feelings. I hope you are feeling calmer now. It’s very irritating when people act like that guy on the road. Anyone would have reacted to it in some way. Take care, Vicki

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/

Deirdre, You are not a monster. Rage is a nasty beast, but I’m very familiar with it. I have quite a few stories like this, all related to driving for some reason. I have read that fear is anger turned inward, so I wonder if the opposite applies. Anger is that fear focused outward. I know when someone honks their horn at me, my first thought is something like "Hey, Dawn, you’re stupid, you’re doing something wrong here!" Then whatever self preservation I have kicks in, and since there’s a convenient person to blame/attack (the honker), they get it. Now, I know people honk for no reason at all, and you haven’t done anything wrong, but my instincts don’t process that information in the heat of the moment. I guess what I’m saying is, it’s attack them or attack myself, and them seems like a better option. I find that I’m really upset at myself, and that’s why the anger lasts so long. It’s disproportionate to the event. I wouldn’t be so sure it’s caused by isolation, although you know yourself best and yours may very well be. I can tell you that my sister is an almost constant rageaholic and she is definitely not isolated. Mine only comes out when I’m feeling particularly vulnerable, and seems to have dissipated here in Tucson where everyone is so courteous when they drive that I wonder if they haven’t been replaced with cyborgs . Example: one evening I was driving home in rush hour traffic. TWICE I was in line behind someone who missed the green light, and not one single person honked, including myself. It was like everyone just thought "Oh, we’re missing the light, oh well…" and went on singing Imagine to themselves. LOL. Weird. Anyway, please don’t beat yourself up (from the queen of that particular behavior). It doesn’t mean you are a monster, just human, and probably harder on yourself than you should be. I suspect that those of us who spend a lot of time being hard on ourselves occasionally need to vent, and driving seems like a safe place to do it because it’s anonymous and you’re in your car so you can drive away. ((((((((((((Deirdre))))))))))))) Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past.

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::I saw my new therapist today and we talked about the incident and have ::decided to add anger management strategies to our work together. She helped ::me a great deal by helping me look at the situation in different ways. Since ::I catastrophized this thing, she had me try this: imagine what happened, and ::then make it as huge and crazy as I could to the point where it became ::funny. I did it, and it didn’t take long before I was laughing and felt ::relief. I thought I would share this with the group in case anyone can use ::this technique. Dear Deirdre, I`m glad you talked to your therapist about the incident. It`s always good to get someone else`s perspective. I like the technique she taught you. Great idea! Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dear Everyone, You all made excellent points and I am very grateful. I didn’t respond right away because I needed a day to get away from thinking about the incident and my reaction to it. (I did 7 loads of laundry and other useful normie things — I’m accepting accolades and chocolate now, if any of you….

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Everyone, You all made excellent points and I am very grateful. I didn’t respond right away because I needed a day to get away from thinking about the incident and my reaction to it. (I did 7 loads of laundry and other useful normie things — I’m accepting accolades and chocolate now, if any of you….

If you find an answer to this, I would like it too please. The best that I have been able to figure is that this kind of reaction is some kind of defence mechanism that is either "on" or "off" with little in between. (fight or flight…and I always fight) 2. my reactive thoughts to #1: absolute terror at the idea that I could be so out of control, and all that could mean.

You get this shortly after the episode has subsided, right? I mostly get a case of the "shakes" and then feel completely drained emotionally. The guy who honked didn’t freak me out. I freaked myself out. Or maybe my disorders freaked me out. Where do I draw the line between what is my responsibility and what should be blamed on the sickness? Or is that distinction unnecessary? I have thrashed that question to death for years.

Good questions. The problem is that the situations that trigger this response type come upon us too quickly to formulate a plan to handle them on the spot. The one thing that has helped me situations where I know I could lose it (for example return counters at stores) is to tell myself to just remain calm it doesn’t matter that much. I however have not found a way to handle situations where I am blind-sided. I think my de-socialization contributes to my behavior ‘out there’ — it can’t help but do that. I don’t think it *caused me to get mad, but it surely exacerbated it. I’m going to be going over all this with my therapist on Friday, you can be sure of that. Meantime, I’m feeling much better. The day away from it helped. Deirdre

I don’t know about de-socialization and its effects in this regard. Your therapist may be able to help you and it is a good idea to bring it up in your next session. Time does heal doesn’t it. (((((((((((Deirdre))))))))))) — Ron P If you are in a hole and can’t get out. The first thing to do is to stop digging!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Deirdre, In the past, I’ve been prone to road rage too. I am an extremely nervous driver, and get excited and mad easily. Anymore, I don’t do it so much, after hearing so many stories about people being shot and stuff for things like flipping people off, etc. I’m sorry that incident upset you so much. People in cars can be so infuriating. I’m the same way when I get upset, it takes me a long time to come down from it. I’m glad the Klonopin helped, when you finally took it. S*** happens. Blow it off. Don’t go into the catastrophic thinking and and start piling on every bad thing you’ve ever done. It was just a bad scene, you lived through it. Some people are A*******, and that’s just a fact of life. Sometimes they cross your path and ruin your day. Today’s a new day, you ought to make yourself get out of the house and do something that makes you happy. Go buy a pint of your favorite ice cream. Have a friendly conversation with a stranger in line. Not everyone out there is a jerk. If you fall off the horse, get right back on!! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((D))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Stuff happens Deirdre, don’t let it get you down. That guy will forget about it and so should you. Try to have a good day Deirdre. — there is no .sig

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. — Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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How to add calcium?

admin — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements?

No tricks. I eat yoghurt and cottage cheese as well as regular cheese, and I drink milk. Priscilla

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements?

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements?

Yogurt, a glass of milk, and cheese just about every day. (I don’t have any milk intolerances. That I know of.) Broccoli, tofu and corn tortillas, frequently, and sardines, occasionally. Chewable antacids (Tums) (as antacids), occasionally. They’re about the cheapest calcium supplement that I know of. This site has a list of dairy and nondairy sources for calcium: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/calcium.asp HTH – FurPaw — "Don’t believe everything that you think." – Seen on a bumper sticker To reply, unleash the dog

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements? No tricks. I eat yoghurt and cottage cheese as well as regular cheese, and I drink milk. Priscilla

I’m slightly dairy intolerant, but I do make a point of having at least one mocha per day. — Jette Goldie http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ http://www.livejournal.com/users/wolfette/

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements? Sorry…no "tricks" with me. I just take the calcium with vitamin D tablets. Oddly enough, I had a bone denisty scan just today, my 3rd. I get them every two years. I should know the results in a week or so. The first two were very good.

I also take the supplements plus magnesium. I use cheese, dry curd cottage cheese and homemade yogurt but no liquid milk. — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements?

I don’t use supplements. I’m not lactose intolerant so I use dairy products.

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What tricks is everyone using to add calcium to their diet other than supplements?

Sorry…no "tricks" with me. I just take the calcium with vitamin D tablets. Oddly enough, I had a bone denisty scan just today, my 3rd. I get them every two years. I should know the results in a week or so. The first two were very good.

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I eat the bones in my can of salmon.

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Yogurt, a glass of milk, and cheese just about every day. (I don’t have any milk intolerances. That I know of.) Broccoli, tofu and corn tortillas, frequently, and sardines, occasionally. spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) david

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(is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) david —

Include myself, husband, and believe it or not, my eight year old daughter who eats just about everything. (the)duckster

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Hi, Recommended amount of calcium to be taken on a day is :- Age/Sex Calcium requirement (mg/day) Infants & children, depending on age 350-550 Teenage girls 800 Teenage boys 1000 Adult men & women 700 Breast-feeding women extra 550 Examples of amounts of foods providing 100mg calcium Type of Food Calcium per 100g (g) Black molasses 20 Dried figs 40 Almonds 42 Soya flour 44 Parsley 50 Kale 67 Brazils Nuts 59 Wholemeal bread 185 Oatmeal 192 Calorie Table Guide :- http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/calorie-counter/index.asp

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(is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?)

Me!! :-) Wonderful stuff.

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spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) If "by itself" includes with garlic and red pepper, yes.

LOL to you and Eva. david

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spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?)

If "by itself" includes with garlic and red pepper, yes. Matthew

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(is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) david

Yes, I do, although I prefer to eat it with a little garlic olive oil. Eva

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Yogurt, a glass of milk, and cheese just about every day. (I don’t have any milk intolerances. That I know of.) Broccoli, tofu and corn tortillas, frequently, and sardines, occasionally.

spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) david — http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amoephoto/

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Yogurt, a glass of milk, and cheese just about every day. (I don’t have any milk intolerances. That I know of.) Broccoli, tofu and corn tortillas, frequently, and sardines, occasionally. spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?)

Mmmmm… stirfried in a little peanut oil. YUM! Priscilla

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actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) david Yes, I do, although I prefer to eat it with a little garlic olive oil. Eva

I can eat (and enjoy) cooked spinach even without salt, as a side dish. Lately, I’m getting to be a fan of raw spinach as the base of a salad. jP

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(is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?)

Not me. Drowned in a sauce that drowns out the flavor of spinach, yes.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yogurt, a glass of milk, and cheese just about every day. (I don’t have any milk intolerances. That I know of.) Broccoli, tofu and corn tortillas, frequently, and sardines, occasionally. spinach is also a good source, and when raw, makes an excellent salad! (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) Mmmmm… stirfried in a little peanut oil. YUM!

when we were kids, we were served the canned crap. i’m sure cooked fresh baby spinach would be delicious. but the canned stuff is just unpalatable. david

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I think these recommendations are a bit low (old RDA? its always lower than reality anyways) but just by checking a few other sites, they all seem to be higher (women 1000 to 1500 mg depending on age): http://tinyurl.com/6pffl http://huhs.harvard.edu/ClinicalServices/NutritionKnowHow/Calcium.htm They now have orange juice fortified with calcium (1cup = 300-350mg calcium) – however remember your body needs vitamin D for adequate amounts of calcium to be absorbed, and for adequate calcium levels to be maintained (10-15 minutes of sunshine 3x a week helps your body to make vitamin D) But dairy products are still the best choice. joanne

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(is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) when we were kids, we were served the canned crap. i’m sure cooked fresh baby spinach would be delicious. but the canned stuff is just unpalatable. david

The canned stuff is not food. It’s reprocessed green slime that was falsely labeled as nutritious in order to give parents a means for torturing their children. Not food. No. No relationship to fresh or very lightly steamed spinach. None. FurPaw — "Don’t believe everything that you think." – Seen on a bumper sticker To reply, unleash the dog

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Great points Joanne, I’d also like to add that the sunshine should be sunscreen free sunshine. Apparently Vitamin D production is halted if UV rays can’t get at your skin… Please correct me if I’m wrong, I read that in a baby group somewhere. KR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (is there anyone who actually *likes* cooked spinach? i mean, just by itself?) when we were kids, we were served the canned crap. i’m sure cooked fresh baby spinach would be delicious. but the canned stuff is just unpalatable. The canned stuff is not food. It’s reprocessed green slime that was falsely labeled as nutritious in order to give parents a means for torturing their children. Not food. No. No relationship to fresh or very lightly steamed spinach. None. I know you’re wrong, because I saw it on Popeye. Canned spinach makes you strong. Matthew

I like canned spinach! Even as a kid I liked it. Go figure. carrie

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I know you’re wrong, because I saw it on Popeye. Canned spinach makes you strong. Matthew

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How has this happened?

admin — Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Okay, I know this may sound familiar to some people….but I woke up this morning weighing 250 pounds!!! I didn’t start out life this way. In fact, I was a skinny teenager…at 5"9 I only weighed 130 pounds…now I way 120 pounds more, I’ve actually added a whole other me!!!! And it’s not because of the two babies I’ve had ( I actually have already lost the baby weight) it’s because I just ate myself to that weight. I’m embarrased and sad when I look in the mirror…especially when I’m naked…YIPES!!! Here’s the serious part….why can’t I stop eating…it’s very logical…eat less, lose weight. But, honestly, the first thing I think of in the morning, is what am I going to eat for breakfast, and then what am I going to snack on, what’s for lunch…etc…it’s like a horrible fixation. I want to start yet another diet, but basically I don’t know what to do anymore. I’ve tried everything. And also, this may sound familiar….my whole freaking family, including in-laws are skinny! I even have a sister-in-law who just won a bikini contest…whatever!! It’s horrible…and I have to sit and listen to how they think they are all fat. Who do they think they are talking to? I just want to crawl under a chair (but I probably wouldn’t fit!). Anyway, I am so tired of feeling like this and I have to do something. I want to be healthy and here for my kids who are 1 and a newborn. I thought maybe I could just write a blog everyday or when I feel like eating a whole cake. Any tips would be appreciated! My main problem is I just want to eat all of the time!!!! Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight….I hope writing like this helps! — jaymie227

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I know just how you feel. All my in-laws are tiny too and I always feel like I am a giant among the little people when I visit. Even my grown daughter is tiny too and that really makes me the big one. But I have learned the hard way, that the first thing to get your mind off eating is to find something else you enjoy doing like gardening, crafts, sewing etc. Then each morning switch your mind to thinking about the other thing you enjoy doing. Maybe it is redecorating your room, or putting in some new plants. That’s a start anyway. Hang in there, you have taken the first step by deciding to loose the weight. Sandy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I know this may sound familiar to some people….but I woke up this morning weighing 250 pounds!!! I didn’t start out life this way. In fact, I was a skinny teenager…at 5"9 I only weighed 130 pounds…now I way 120 pounds more, I’ve actually added a whole other me!!!! And it’s not because of the two babies I’ve had ( I actually have already lost the baby weight) it’s because I just ate myself to that weight. I’m embarrased and sad when I look in the mirror…especially when I’m naked…YIPES!!! Here’s the serious part….why can’t I stop eating…it’s very logical…eat less, lose weight. But, honestly, the first thing I think of in the morning, is what am I going to eat for breakfast, and then what am I going to snack on, what’s for lunch…etc…it’s like a horrible fixation. I want to start yet another diet, but basically I don’t know what to do anymore. I’ve tried everything. And also, this may sound familiar….my whole freaking family, including in-laws are skinny! I even have a sister-in-law who just won a bikini contest…whatever!! It’s horrible…and I have to sit and listen to how they think they are all fat. Who do they think they are talking to? I just want to crawl under a chair (but I probably wouldn’t fit!). Anyway, I am so tired of feeling like this and I have to do something. I want to be healthy and here for my kids who are 1 and a newborn. I thought maybe I could just write a blog everyday or when I feel like eating a whole cake. Any tips would be appreciated! My main problem is I just want to eat all of the time!!!! Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight….I hope writing like this helps! — jaymie227

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You have a one year old and a newborn and you’ve already lost all of your baby weight? So the weight was gained pre-pregnancy(s)? I have been working through issues with an unhealthy preoccupation with food, also. I believe mine was present pre-pregnancy, to some degree, but was greatly exacerbated by being pregnant. It’s been getting better and better because it seems the more you get away from obsessing about food the more you dislike that behavior and the more irrational it seems. I would recommend distancing yourself from activities or situations that cause you to think about food. At the beginning of my diet I ate Lean Cuisine meals often because it kept me out of that food preparation mode. Since your kids are little you have an advantage because you don’t have to cook big family style meals for them. Good luck and I hope to hear more about your progress! Wendy

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Thanks for your suggestions. I need to fixate on the fact that I don’t want diabetes (I had it with both pregnancies) and I really do want to be healthy. It doesn’t help that I am breast feeding, which just makes me hungrier….I only have 3 1/2 months more of that…my daughter is 2 1/2 months and I am trying to make it until six months. By the way, what a fallacy that you lose weight when you breast feed….it just makes me crazy hungry! Today I just kind of took it slow and after a meal, if I got hungry I would tell myself, "you can have a yogurt at 10 a.m. just hang on until then. My 20-year highschool reunion in in four years and I skipped both the 10 and 15 because I was so humiliated about my weight. I really would like to get it off and be able to hold my head up high. It’s so embarrassing when I run into people I haven’t seen since college. I saw an old boyfriend at the zoo and I haven’t seen him for 10 years. Anyway, when I saw him I just said, "hi" and then booked on out of there. At the top of the hill, I stopped and just started crying because I was so humiliated. All I could think of for the rest of the day was that he was probably thinking, "Oh my God, she was so huge!" It’s not that I even care about him, I just hate what has happened to me. I have a wonderful husband who never says anything and still loves me for who I am, but it would be nice if I could love me for who I am, too. Thanks for the help, girls, you guys hang in there too!!! — jaymie227

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Okay, I know this may sound familiar to some people….but I woke up this morning weighing 250 pounds!!! I want to start yet another diet, but basically I don’t know what to do anymore. I’ve tried everything.

I’ve tried alot of diets, and they never worked for me either. The only real success I’ve ever had is by making permanent changes in the way I eat/live, and start doing so with baby steps. I started ridiculously easy. At the very start, I told myself I would spend 5 minutes a day exercising. I also stopped eating large, hungry man tv dinners and switched to the diet ones. Both of these changes were fairly easy and painless to make, but even so I could see a difference. It didn’t take long until I was making more, more drastic changes. But only when I was ready to, and able to keep doing them consistently. I’ve included a "How Annie is doing it" section in my website listed in my sig, if you are interested in the specifics of how I’ve managed to lose the weight I have. Good luck, and I hope we see more of your around here! — Annie As of 8-05-05: 258/215.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 2.5 pound loss from 7-29-05. 42.5 pounds lost. 75.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html 42.5 pounds lost. 75.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your suggestions. I need to fixate on the fact that I don’t want diabetes (I had it with both pregnancies) and I really do want to be healthy. It doesn’t help that I am breast feeding, which just makes me hungrier….I only have 3 1/2 months more of that…my daughter is 2 1/2 months and I am trying to make it until six months. By the way, what a fallacy that you lose weight when you breast feed….it just makes me crazy hungry! Today I just kind of took it slow and after a meal, if I got hungry I would tell myself, "you can have a yogurt at 10 a.m. just hang on until then. My 20-year highschool reunion in in four years and I skipped both the 10 and 15 because I was so humiliated about my weight. I really would like to get it off and be able to hold my head up high. It’s so embarrassing when I run into people I haven’t seen since college. I saw an old boyfriend at the zoo and I haven’t seen him for 10 years. Anyway, when I saw him I just said, "hi" and then booked on out of there. At the top of the hill, I stopped and just started crying because I was so humiliated. All I could think of for the rest of the day was that he was probably thinking, "Oh my God, she was so huge!" It’s not that I even care about him, I just hate what has happened to me. I have a wonderful husband who never says anything and still loves me for who I am, but it would be nice if I could love me for who I am, too. Thanks for the help, girls, you guys hang in there too!!!

I really feel for you — we have different weight histories (I have never been normal weight) but I do know the pain of being 250 lbs. and more. Several things stuck out to me from your post — one, that once you start eating you can’t stop thinking about it and planning what you’re having next. Another was that you will write when you want to eat an entire cake. The other is that you had diabetes with your pregnancies. I am wondering if you are in the "insulin resistance" category of pre-diabetes. Does it run in your family at all? I know that I have a lot of trouble with insulin reactions to refined carbohydrates. If I eat potato or tortilla chips, restaurant bread basket rolls, breakfast cereal, or sugarfree anything, it starts me on a vicious circle where I cannot stop eating those things even though I "want" to stop or tell myself "that’s the last one" or "OK no more that’s it" — insulin only laughs at these lame protests, LOL. It is a physical reaction. Try keeping track of what you are eating at www.fitday.com or another free weight loss site and see if you are indeed consuming too many processed foods or refined carbohydrates. Try combining protein into each and every meal so that your blood sugar stays on an even keel. Limit the amount of refined carbohydrates you eat and bulk up on vegetables instead. Protein sources could include chicken breast, low-fat cheese or dairy items, a little natural peanut butter, etc. Also try to drink 8-10 glasses of water a day to really get that full feeling (I don’t know if drinking more water would affect your breastfeeding so maybe you might have to wait for that one? I know nothing about breastfeeding). Please keep posting — there’s lots of success here and there’s no reason that it can’t happen for you too. Mary 325-168-150

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Thanks for the advice, I will totally check out that website. I need all the help I can get. I am really hoping that I can get past this and lose the weight. I am so tired of feeling like this. Nothing looks good on me and I don’t even want my husband to touch me. I keep telling him it’s the kids and I’m just so tired, but really it’s that I find myself so completely disgusting I don’t want him to see. I really need to tell him how I feel or he is going to think there is something wrong with him. My worst part is my stomach. After two babies and two C-Sections it freaking needs it’s own zip code. I HATE it!!!!!! Before I had the babies, I was fat, but it was firm and I still had a waist…now it’s all gone to h*ll. It doesn’t even look human. I hope losing weight will help with that, or I’m going to have to save up for plastic surgery…maybe I should go on extreme makeover….I can tell them my stomach needs to look more human….ha!! The one part of my life I am so lucky in is that all of my friends and family are so supportive. No one ever says anything negative about my weight (they are all thin) and even though I feel self-conscience around them, it’s not because of anything they do. On the flip-side, that means I have no one to blame but myself…so I have to fix this. I can’t live like this and I don’t want my kids to be embarrased by me. On a good note, I’ve lost a couple of pounds this week! Hooray!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your suggestions. I need to fixate on the fact that I don’t want diabetes (I had it with both pregnancies) and I really do want to be healthy. It doesn’t help that I am breast feeding, which just makes me hungrier….I only have 3 1/2 months more of that…my daughter is 2 1/2 months and I am trying to make it until six months. By the way, what a fallacy that you lose weight when you breast feed….it just makes me crazy hungry! Today I just kind of took it slow and after a meal, if I got hungry I would tell myself, "you can have a yogurt at 10 a.m. just hang on until then. My 20-year highschool reunion in in four years and I skipped both the 10 and 15 because I was so humiliated about my weight. I really would like to get it off and be able to hold my head up high. It’s so embarrassing when I run into people I haven’t seen since college. I saw an old boyfriend at the zoo and I haven’t seen him for 10 years. Anyway, when I saw him I just said, "hi" and then booked on out of there. At the top of the hill, I stopped and just started crying because I was so humiliated. All I could think of for the rest of the day was that he was probably thinking, "Oh my God, she was so huge!" It’s not that I even care about him, I just hate what has happened to me. I have a wonderful husband who never says anything and still loves me for who I am, but it would be nice if I could love me for who I am, too. Thanks for the help, girls, you guys hang in there too!!! - I really feel for you — we have different weight histories (I have never been normal weight) but I do know the pain of being 250 lbs. and more. Several things stuck out to me from your post — one, that once you start eating you can’t stop thinking about it and planning what you’re having next. Another was that you will write when you want to eat an entire cake. The other is that you had diabetes with your pregnancies. I am wondering if you are in the "insulin resistance" category of pre-diabetes. Does it run in your family at all? I know that I have a lot of trouble with insulin reactions to refined carbohydrates. If I eat potato or tortilla chips, restaurant bread basket rolls, breakfast cereal, or sugarfree anything, it starts me on a vicious circle where I cannot stop eating those things even though I "want" to stop or tell myself "that’s the last one" or "OK no more that’s it" — insulin only laughs at these lame protests, LOL. It is a physical reaction. Try keeping track of what you are eating at www.fitday.com or another free weight loss site and see if you are indeed consuming too many processed foods or refined carbohydrates. Try combining protein into each and every meal so that your blood sugar stays on an even keel. Limit the amount of refined carbohydrates you eat and bulk up on vegetables instead. Protein sources could include chicken breast, low-fat cheese or dairy items, a little natural peanut butter, etc. Also try to drink 8-10 glasses of water a day to really get that full feeling (I don’t know if drinking more water would affect your breastfeeding so maybe you might have to wait for that one? I know nothing about breastfeeding). Please keep posting — there’s lots of success here and there’s no reason that it can’t happen for you too. Mary 325-168-150

– jaymie227

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and I don’t even want my husband to touch me. I keep telling him it’s the kids and I’m just so tired, but really it’s that I find myself so completely disgusting I don’t want him to see. I really need to tell him how I feel or he is going to think there is something wrong with him.

You’d better tell him asap. You don’t want him looking outside of your marraige for ‘comfort’. I’m not saying he WILL do this because I do not know him but I have talked to a LOT of married men who DO look outside thier marraiges for such things and the number one thing they say is that they are not getting that attention at home. Let him know how you feel right away. Good luck to you.

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NEWS: 'Trust drug' dissolves suspicion

admin — Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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How bizarre. This changes everything. I don’t trust you anymore. -John

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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 nilk…@invalid.com.au wrote: (snip) : :The University of Zurich investigators were intrigued by :previous findings that lab mammals which had been given xytocin became far less cautious about striking up :affiliations with each other. Interesting, but not ready for commerical use yet. It should be mixed with a "cocktail" of other ingredients like pheromones and Zoloft. :In addition, levels of this hormone are said to be higher :amongst people who say they are in love. Putting the cart before the horse. You have to BE in love before the hormone can increase… — "…George and I are complete opposites – I’m quiet, he’s talkative; I’m introverted, he’s extroverted. I can pronounce ‘nuclear.’ " - Laura Bush at White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, April 30 2005 http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-05-01-laura-bush-comments_x.htm

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <20050605183049.B71…@alii.inets.com> Lonely God wrote: >On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 nilk…@invalid.com.au wrote: >>In addition, levels of this hormone are said to be higher amongst >>people who say they are in love. >Putting the cart before the horse. You have to BE in love before the >hormone can increase…

True, it’s a bit of cargu cult thinking. Still, if you have no other options and don’t understand the whole process anyway, you might as well build a runway and see if the planes come. – — There is a lot of food in a supermarket, too, but a supermarket isn’t the best place to hold a dinner party. — Christopher Faylor —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFCpE+m/FmLrNfLpjMRAgFTAJ4iEJfrlyKfALoi7HGBW8GvY3VdtgCdFgtW KNl/MnPipOM60DQ0s141pUw= =pOf0 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -nilk…@invalid.com.au wrote: > ‘Trust drug’ dissolves suspicion > AFP > June 02, 2005 > [extracts] > A SWISS research team has discovered that a natural hormone > which helps new mothers to breast-feed is also a "trust > drug" that dramatically lowers the threshold of suspicion. > The hormone, called oxytocin, acts like a cerebral switch, > they believe. > In both men and women it turns on neural networks that > govern emotions, particular those of trust and social > attachment. > The University of Zurich investigators were intrigued by > previous findings that lab mammals which had been given > oxytocin became far less cautious about striking up > affiliations with each other. > ——- > In animal research, oxytocin has been previously associated > with pair bonding. For instance, virgin sheep injected with > the hormone showed maternal behaviour towards foreign lambs. > In addition, levels of this hormone are said to be higher > amongst people who say they are in love. > This latest research, though, provides some striking > clinical evidence as to how the hormone may work in the > creation of trust. > The study appears on Thursday in Nature, the British science > weekly, where lead author Ernst Fehr says the findings could > one day help unlock pharmaceutical cures for people who have > a genetic illness which cripples them when it comes to > social interaction. > But, he admits: "This finding could be misused to induce > trusting behaviours that selfish actors subsequently > exploit." > [more at] > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,1548447… > ================ > Regards, > "Nilkids"

nice one for posting this… I immediately thought of "this place" and the people here, when I read about this in the press. oxytocin all round I think

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OT Kicking Effexor!

admin — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Fil, have you tried diet caffeine-free Coke? Before my surgery I found it easy to switch from regular diet Coke and I actually liked the taste of the caffeine-free better. [Since the surgery I can only drink bottled water for some reason - oh and coffee.]

Yes I have…and I keep it in stock. Decaf Diet Pepsi too. Without it, I’d be sucking back 5-6 cans of the high test a day. If I’m just thirsty, decaf diet is a workable bait-and-switch. It does nothing for the caffeine cravings, the headaches, the morning ritual of stumbling into things, mixing up words, dropping stuff and disorientation, or the unspeakable pepsi fantasies. (I’m awful in the mornings. I lose my balance and fall into walls/doors, or I don’t notice stuff and walk into it, or drop stuff onto myself, and am usually carrying a few bruises at any given time.) –Fil SO not a morning person that it isn’t even funny

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No I dont Mary because I’m diabetic and orange juice has a lot of sugar but I love navel oranges and eat plenty of thosethe natural sugar seems to leave your system quicker thanks for telling me though, maybe I can find some other source, I’ll have a look around. Jean.

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Thanks to you too Howard, you learn something every day. Jean.

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Thanks again howard I will take this information on board Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Dr has just had to urge me togo off Quinine which I take for cramp in my legs at night, it has been decided that Quinine is bad for older people in that it affects the electrodes or some sort of electric things round your heartso I stopped taking them as I already have angina, but boy the cramps are pretty bad, and the Dr couldn’t find anything to replace the tablets, all these tablets they are now finding are ‘dangerous’ makes you wonder just what we are putting into ourselves when the Dr’s put you on medication, one lot of BP tablets could have killed me if I hadn’t MADE my ‘then’ Dr listen to what I’d been telling him for months eventually he took blood tests and found my kidneys were in a very bad way, fortunately he’d heard me at last and I recovered when he took me off them. Jean.P. Quinine is indeed related to cardiac drugs such as quinidine, and I can see reasons for concern. There’s a range of disorders between nocturnal leg cramps and restless leg syndrome, and it’s possible that treating restless leg syndrome might relieve the cramps. The treatment of the latter tends to use anticonvulsants and related drugs. A reasonably safe and low-side-effect drug would be a low dose of clonazepam near bedtime, which has anticonvulsant, tranquilizing, and muscle relaxant properties. Alternatives could include more classic anticonvulsants such as gabapentin or carbemazepine, or conceivably an anti-spasticity drug such as baclofen. Whenever there’s a chronic cramping condition, it can be wise to put the patient on a regular, often low dose of anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen. Without going too biochemical, there’s evidence that cramping and related muscle problems cause the release of inflammatory substances. The benefit, from a biological basis, is that it tends to force someone to keep an injured muscle still. In practice, that reaction from the autonomous nervous system may make the muscle problem considerably more painful, and spiral into making it worse and worse.

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I am diabetic as well, and have been told that natural fruit is better for me than fruit juice. The added fiber in the whole fruit slows the absorption of the sugar. I still have to be careful that I don’t overdo the quantity. — PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." — Hypatia of Alexandria

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My late mother took Quinine for years to help with cramp, In the end she became deaf, and the quinine was blamed for it . Marie from OZ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Dr has just had to urge me togo off Quinine which I take for cramp in my legs at night, it has been decided that Quinine is bad for older people in that it affects the electrodes or some sort of electric things round your heartso I stopped taking them as I already have angina, but boy the cramps are pretty bad, and the Dr couldn’t find anything to replace the tablets, all these tablets they are now finding are ‘dangerous’ makes you wonder just what we are putting into ourselves when the Dr’s put you on medication, one lot of BP tablets could have killed me if I hadn’t MADE my ‘then’ Dr listen to what I’d been telling him for months eventually he took blood tests and found my kidneys were in a very bad way, fortunately he’d heard me at last and I recovered when he took me off them. Jean.P. Good for you! We’re all purring and praying that things keep going well! And if you decide at some point that you want a medicine OTHER than Effexor, talk to your doctor about the ones that are available that have fewer side effects than the Effexor does. BTW, I hear you BIG TIME about the "time to ditch caffeine" decision. In my case, last year when I had to go on blood pressure meds (to control a BP that’d risen to something like 132/100 and 132/98), I decided that all but the first cup of coffee in the morning had to go. I hate taking meds unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. And there’s no logic in taking BP meds, then undoing their benefit by caffeinating my blood pressure back up to an unhealthy level, right? So all coffee, tea, and other beverages after the first cup of the morning are now decaf or non-caffeinated. BTW, the BP has now been controlled with the meds, to the point where it’s at a normal level again. It took a few months to get the dose right, but things seem OK now. I’m not surprised that I ended up on meds, given the history of high blood pressure that’s rampant on both sides of my family. I’m reaching an age (early 40s) where some of the family’s genetic time bombs are going to start showing up, if I’ve inherited any of them. Purrs and prayers that you keep doing well! Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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Your right there John, I try to make it one in the early evening, but sometimes I get greedy and steal another one and I’ve noticed the difference. I guess I dont always do the right thing by my diabetes but I try, sometimes I can’t help saying to myself, come on your 72 surely you can relax a little sometimes, after all I might go out tomorrow and walk under a bus, just joking {a bit.} Jean.P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No I dont Mary because I’m diabetic and orange juice has a lot of sugar but I love navel oranges and eat plenty of thosethe natural sugar seems to leave your system quicker thanks for telling me though, maybe I can find some other source, I’ll have a look around. Jean. I am diabetic as well, and have been told that natural fruit is better for me than fruit juice. The added fiber in the whole fruit slows the absorption of the sugar. I still have to be careful that I don’t overdo the quantity. — PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." — Hypatia of Alexandria

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My god my kids reckon I’m deaf, I am a bit too. Well I’m not taking it any more now thogh it was pretty bad last night because it was the 3rd night withoutso its not going to get any better from now on. Jean.P.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My late mother took Quinine for years to help with cramp, In the end she became deaf, and the quinine was blamed for it . Marie from OZ My Dr has just had to urge me togo off Quinine which I take for cramp in my legs at night, it has been decided that Quinine is bad for older people in that it affects the electrodes or some sort of electric things round your heartso I stopped taking them as I already have angina, but boy the cramps are pretty bad, and the Dr couldn’t find anything to replace the tablets, all these tablets they are now finding are ‘dangerous’ makes you wonder just what we are putting into ourselves when the Dr’s put you on medication, one lot of BP tablets could have killed me if I hadn’t MADE my ‘then’ Dr listen to what I’d been telling him for months eventually he took blood tests and found my kidneys were in a very bad way, fortunately he’d heard me at last and I recovered when he took me off them. Jean.P. Good for you! We’re all purring and praying that things keep going well! And if you decide at some point that you want a medicine OTHER than Effexor, talk to your doctor about the ones that are available that have fewer side effects than the Effexor does. BTW, I hear you BIG TIME about the "time to ditch caffeine" decision. In my case, last year when I had to go on blood pressure meds (to control a BP that’d risen to something like 132/100 and 132/98), I decided that all but the first cup of coffee in the morning had to go. I hate taking meds unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. And there’s no logic in taking BP meds, then undoing their benefit by caffeinating my blood pressure back up to an unhealthy level, right? So all coffee, tea, and other beverages after the first cup of the morning are now decaf or non-caffeinated. BTW, the BP has now been controlled with the meds, to the point where it’s at a normal level again. It took a few months to get the dose right, but things seem OK now. I’m not surprised that I ended up on meds, given the history of high blood pressure that’s rampant on both sides of my family. I’m reaching an age (early 40s) where some of the family’s genetic time bombs are going to start showing up, if I’ve inherited any of them. Purrs and prayers that you keep doing well! Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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Bananas & prunes are good for potassium, too. Katz

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Good observation. That does need to be done with awareness of any cardiac drugs that affect potassium metabolism.

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Quinine is indeed related to cardiac drugs such as quinidine, and I can see reasons for concern. There’s a range of disorders between nocturnal leg cramps and restless leg syndrome, and it’s possible that treating restless leg syndrome might relieve the cramps. The treatment of the latter tends to use anticonvulsants and related drugs. A reasonably safe and low-side-effect drug would be a low dose of clonazepam near bedtime, which has anticonvulsant, tranquilizing, and muscle relaxant properties. Alternatives could include more classic anticonvulsants such as gabapentin or carbemazepine, or conceivably an anti-spasticity drug such as baclofen. Whenever there’s a chronic cramping condition, it can be wise to put the patient on a regular, often low dose of anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen. Without going too biochemical, there’s evidence that cramping and related muscle problems cause the release of inflammatory substances. The benefit, from a biological basis, is that it tends to force someone to keep an injured muscle still. In practice, that reaction from the autonomous nervous system may make the muscle problem considerably more painful, and spiral into making it worse and worse.

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Honestly, after that first night of barfing, I haven’t felt bad at all.

Stupid Effexor. I find myself getting dizzy spells. Usually I don’t get dizzy unless I’ve got a fever or exhausted myself running up stairs. They’re pretty mild though. Just annoying. Nothing next to 6 this morning–I woke up from a pepsi dream barely able to swallow, throat dry, ears plugged with mucus, and ribbons of stinking mucus in my nose and throat. Granted, the room was dry, and I do have rhinitis–mucus isn’t anything new–but that Pepsi was just /soooooo/ good. Oooo, the fizzle in the ears as it moistened the dryness and helped me swallow the gunk or cough it out. Soothing the pain of my throat with its icy wetness. I fell right back to sleep and slept like a baby until 10. …and I’ve had a diet dr pepper and another pepsi since then…of course, I’ve also written 10 pages of postgrad term paper. I am not cutting back caffeine until Tuesday when the paper is done. But I don’t think I’ll ever be able to give up the blue can delight entirely… –Fil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Honestly, after that first night of barfing, I haven’t felt bad at all. Stupid Effexor. I find myself getting dizzy spells. Usually I don’t get dizzy unless I’ve got a fever or exhausted myself running up stairs. They’re pretty mild though. Just annoying. Nothing next to 6 this morning–I woke up from a pepsi dream barely able to swallow, throat dry, ears plugged with mucus, and ribbons of stinking mucus in my nose and throat. Granted, the room was dry, and I do have rhinitis–mucus isn’t anything new–but that Pepsi was just /soooooo/ good. Oooo, the fizzle in the ears as it moistened the dryness and helped me swallow the gunk or cough it out. Soothing the pain of my throat with its icy wetness. I fell right back to sleep and slept like a baby until 10. …and I’ve had a diet dr pepper and another pepsi since then…of course, I’ve also written 10 pages of postgrad term paper. I am not cutting back caffeine until Tuesday when the paper is done. But I don’t think I’ll ever be able to give up the blue can delight entirely… –Fil

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My Dr has just had to urge me togo off Quinine which I take for cramp in my legs at night, it has been decided that Quinine is bad for older people in that it affects the electrodes or some sort of electric things round your heartso I stopped taking them as I already have angina, but boy the cramps are pretty bad, and the Dr couldn’t find anything to replace the tablets, all these tablets they are now finding are ‘dangerous’ makes you wonder just what we are putting into ourselves when the Dr’s put you on medication, one lot of BP tablets could have killed me if I hadn’t MADE my ‘then’ Dr listen to what I’d been telling him for months eventually he took blood tests and found my kidneys were in a very bad way, fortunately he’d heard me at last and I recovered when he took me off them. Jean.P.

Jean, my dad got these cramps and extra potassium helped him. Do you have your orange juice every day?

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I’m not as badly addicted this time around, but there is nothing better in life than that first cup of Java in the morning. Its often the only one I have during the day (I’ll usually drink decaf or hot chocolate if I want a hot beverage, and water if I want something cool) but darn I enjoy that first coffee far too much.///

Oh I *SO* hear you about the coffee addiction. I’m a veritable pitbull until I’ve had at least one cup of coffee when I get up. The only purrson who doesn’t keep a low profile in the mornings is HRFL Tiger, and even *he* gets fairly short shift! ;o) Helen M

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Lots of purrs and best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here it is…the first day without Effexor. Honestly, after that first night of barfing, I haven’t felt bad at all. If anything, I’ve felt BETTER because I no longer need to sleep more than 10 hours a day (was pushing 16 mandatory sleep hours in every 24 when I quit). Therefore, I only nap if I get less than 10 hours at night. All this stuff is getting done, and it’s awesome. I even have time to watch TV or read comic books again. Mood’s better instead of worse–with this energy and fire back, I feel like I could rule the world. As long as my fire doesn’t spill over into rage, all is good. Now to address the caffeine addiction. THIS bastard I’ve been fighting for six years to control. I’m sucking back three cans of pop a day again and I’ve got to cut this out…I can feel the stomach damage returning. Starting Monday, when my term paper is done, it’s down to one. –Mary

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good for you! We’re all purring and praying that things keep going well! And if you decide at some point that you want a medicine OTHER than Effexor, talk to your doctor about the ones that are available that have fewer side effects than the Effexor does. BTW, I hear you BIG TIME about the "time to ditch caffeine" decision. In my case, last year when I had to go on blood pressure meds (to control a BP that’d risen to something like 132/100 and 132/98), I decided that all but the first cup of coffee in the morning had to go. I hate taking meds unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. And there’s no logic in taking BP meds, then undoing their benefit by caffeinating my blood pressure back up to an unhealthy level, right? So all coffee, tea, and other beverages after the first cup of the morning are now decaf or non-caffeinated. BTW, the BP has now been controlled with the meds, to the point where it’s at a normal level again. It took a few months to get the dose right, but things seem OK now. I’m not surprised that I ended up on meds, given the history of high blood pressure that’s rampant on both sides of my family. I’m reaching an age (early 40s) where some of the family’s genetic time bombs are going to start showing up, if I’ve inherited any of them. Purrs and prayers that you keep doing well! Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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Headaches, nausea and the cravings were horrendous. It took about 3 months for the cravings to subside, but they didn’t ever go away entirely (not ever beign a smoker, I’m not sure what giving up smoking is like, but its probably similar)

I kicked caffeine for six months during the worst of the ulcers, probably because I was so doped up on painkillers and/or passed out when they didn’t work well enough, that I couldn’t notice the headaches that much. I’m back fighting now…going into overdrive once the term paper is done. Must get back to a can of pop a day. Some people think it’s FUNNY when you have dreams of singing, dancing pepsi cans and then wake up choking from dry throat and going berserk with cravings…. –Fil (Had a cherry cigarillo once and liked it so much that I never touched one again. I don’t need another addiction and lung cancer. A half-rotted digestive system and the singing, dancing pepsi can hallucinations are quite enough)

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On 2005-04-14, Enfilade penned: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here it is…the first day without Effexor. Honestly, after that first night of barfing, I haven’t felt bad at all. If anything, I’ve felt BETTER because I no longer need to sleep more than 10 hours a day (was pushing 16 mandatory sleep hours in every 24 when I quit). Therefore, I only nap if I get less than 10 hours at night. All this stuff is getting done, and it’s awesome. I even have time to watch TV or read comic books again. Mood’s better instead of worse–with this energy and fire back, I feel like I could rule the world. As long as my fire doesn’t spill over into rage, all is good. Now to address the caffeine addiction. THIS bastard I’ve been fighting for six years to control. I’m sucking back three cans of pop a day again and I’ve got to cut this out…I can feel the stomach damage returning. Starting Monday, when my term paper is done, it’s down to one. –Mary

Good luck with both drugs! But are you sure you want to kick both at once? Caffeine’s the only physical addiction I’ve ever had, and it’s a bad one. I fully support your plan to kick that stuff, but maybe just try to kick the Effexor first? Just a thought. One problem I had with caffeine was that I would use it as an "upper." Instead of saying, "I would like a coffee," I would say, "I am really tired this morning; I need some caffeine." Then my sleep patterns would get all screwy and I wouldn’t sleep well, so I’d need more caffeine … and so it went. Now, if I forget to order decaf, I can’t sleep at all. No matter what time of day I drank the stuff. — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

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I don’t know about Effexor, but caffeine is one heck of a b*tch to kick. When I was pregnant, The Yowlet would not allow me to have any caffeine whatsoever, I’d immediatley chuck up all over the place if I had any. Of course, I was still addicted but couldn’t have any, and it wasn’t like I could just cut-down over time, I had to go cold turkey. It was aweful. Headaches, nausea and the cravings were horrendous. It took about 3 months for the cravings to subside, but they didn’t ever go away entirely (not ever beign a smoker, I’m not sure what giving up smoking is like, but its probably similar) I was lucky, because my caffeine addiction was in the form of coffee, and these days decaf coffee is pretty good, so I didn’thave to break the psychological habit as well as the physical habit. But as soon I stopped breast feeding Cary, I quickly became re-addicted (I made the mistake of having *one* cup of coffee whilst breast feeding Cary, and after him being full of nervous energy and then tired but unable to sleep for 8 hours, I didn’t try again till he was weaned). I’m not as badly addicted this time around, but there is nothing better in life than that first cup of Java in the morning. Its often the only one I have during the day (I’ll usually drink decaf or hot chocolate if I want a hot beverage, and water if I want something cool) but darn I enjoy that first coffee far too much. Yowie

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Here it is…the first day without Effexor.

Way to go! We’re purring that you continue doing as well. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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YAY!!! I was so worried about what you might have to go knowing what I went through. I’m glad it’s been so easy for you and *very* glad that you’re feeling so much better! Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –Mary

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Here it is…the first day without Effexor.

If you’d like some advice on herbal remedies, both for the caffine & to help with the Effexor discomfort, e-mail me directly. I may be able to help. I’d have mentioned this earlier, but while you were weaning off the drug, I didn’t want to suggest anything that might have been contra-indicated… — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Good for you! We’re all purring and praying that things keep going well! And if you decide at some point that you want a medicine OTHER than Effexor, talk to your doctor about the ones that are available that have fewer side effects than the Effexor does. BTW, I hear you BIG TIME about the "time to ditch caffeine" decision. In my case, last year when I had to go on blood pressure meds (to control a BP that’d risen to something like 132/100 and 132/98), I decided that all but the first cup of coffee in the morning had to go. I hate taking meds unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. And there’s no logic in taking BP meds, then undoing their benefit by caffeinating my blood pressure back up to an unhealthy level, right? So all coffee, tea, and other beverages after the first cup of the morning are now decaf or non-caffeinated. BTW, the BP has now been controlled with the meds, to the point where it’s at a normal level again. It took a few months to get the dose right, but things seem OK now. I’m not surprised that I ended up on meds, given the history of high blood pressure that’s rampant on both sides of my family. I’m reaching an age (early 40s) where some of the family’s genetic time bombs are going to start showing up, if I’ve inherited any of them. Purrs and prayers that you keep doing well! Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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Here it is…the first day without Effexor. Honestly, after that first night of barfing, I haven’t felt bad at all. If anything, I’ve felt BETTER because I no longer need to sleep more than 10 hours a day (was pushing 16 mandatory sleep hours in every 24 when I quit). Therefore, I only nap if I get less than 10 hours at night. All this stuff is getting done, and it’s awesome. I even have time to watch TV or read comic books again. Mood’s better instead of worse–with this energy and fire back, I feel like I could rule the world. As long as my fire doesn’t spill over into rage, all is good. Now to address the caffeine addiction. THIS bastard I’ve been fighting for six years to control. I’m sucking back three cans of pop a day again and I’ve got to cut this out…I can feel the stomach damage returning. Starting Monday, when my term paper is done, it’s down to one. –Mary

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I am in my third trimester (30 weeks now) and have had a very good winter with it all. All my symptoms diminished mostly – except the fatigue. Oh well. The last couple of days however, things are changing…. I have had full leg tingling, much worse then ever before… not just being a nuisance, but actually hurting! Also a funny sensation never before felt…. a cold, wet feeling with it. When I touch the leg, it is very numb…. and when I stand on it, feels as though it will give away. I’m curious to know if it’s the beginning of an exacerbation, or maybe the baby is just on a nerve? I can find NO information on the internet about MS and pregnancy. I’m wondering if this is going to get worse and I’ll be unable to care for the baby when he comes…. kinda anxious here. Does anyone know where I can get info on pregnancy during MS? Thanx in advance.. Jordan

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Ask your doctor if it is okay to get into a swimming pool. When my baby was pressing on a nerve, I got into a swimming pool and the fetus moved. What a relief that was. Hope you feel better soon and wishing you a easy labor. Linda P.S. The National MS Society has info on pregnancy and MS "SirzIMZADI" wrote in message

news:20010529112847.20485.00001788@ng-fg1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am in my third trimester (30 weeks now) and have had a very good winter with > it all. All my symptoms diminished mostly – except the fatigue. Oh well. The > last couple of days however, things are changing…. I have had full leg > tingling, ch worse then ever before… not just being a nuisance, but > actually hurting! Also a funny sensation never before felt…. a cold, wet > feeling with it. When I touch the leg, it is very numb…. and when I stand on > it, feels as though it will give away. I’m curious to know if it’s the > beginning of n exacerbation, or maybe the baby is just on a nerve? I can find > NO information on the internet about MS and pregnancy. I’m wondering if this > is going to get worse and I’ll be unable to care for the baby when he comes…. > kinda anxious here. Does anyone know where I can get info on pregnancy during > MS? Thanx in advance.. > Jordan

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Ther’es also a book out there called Multiple Sclerosis and Having a Baby: Everything You Need To Know about Conception, Pregnancy, and Parenthood that I have heard is fairly good. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892817887/qid%3D991170445/002… Perhaps this will help? I havne’t been pregnant yet, so I don’t know from personal experience… Good luck! Cyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - writes: >Ask your doctor if it is okay to get into a swimming pool. When my baby was >pressing on a nerve, I got into a swimming pool and the fetus moved. What a >relief that was. Hope you feel better soon and wishing you a easy labor. >Linda >P.S. The National MS Society has info on pregnancy and MS "SirzIMZADI" wrote in message >I am in my third trimester (30 weeks now) and have had a very good winter with >it all. All my symptoms diminished mostly – except the fatigue. Oh well. The >last couple of days however, things are changing…. I have had full leg >tingling, ch worse then ever before… not just being a nuisance, but >actually hurting! Also a funny sensation never before felt…. a cold, wet >feeling with it. When I touch the leg, it is very numb…. and when I stand on >it, feels as though it will give away. I’m curious to know if it’s the >beginning of n exacerbation, or maybe the baby is just on a nerve? I can find >NO information on the internet about MS and pregnancy. I’m wondering if this >is going to get worse and I’ll be unable to care for the baby when he comes…. >kinda anxious here. Does anyone know where I can get info on pregnancy during >MS? Thanx in advance..

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. >> Ther’es also a book out there called Multiple Sclerosis and Having a Baby: >> Everything You Need To Know about Conception, Pregnancy, and Parenthood >that I >> have heard is fairly good.

thank-you for the tips …. have book on order LOL pulling out the old walker again, neuro says heat and flux in hormones preparing for labor could be cause of minor increase in symptoms… luv ya Jordan

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news:9f139n$c67$1@niflheim.rutgers.edu… > Ther’es also a book out there called Multiple Sclerosis and Having a Baby: > Everything You Need To Know about Conception, Pregnancy, and Parenthood that I > have heard is fairly good.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892817887/qid%3D991170445/002… 9-6537653 > Perhaps this will help? I havne’t been pregnant yet, so I don’t know from > personal experience… > Good luck! > Cyd

I did a search on mysimon.com for this title and found it even cheaper than what Amazon.com is asking. http://www.mysimon.com/msrch/index.jhtml?c=bookisbn&pgid=shop&ps=t&_t… ch&v=1&kw=multiple+sclerosis+and+having+a+baby&pid=0892817887&key=UC_200105 3 0_014429_0380723225 I put it on my pre-order list at Half.com for 5 bucks. I and my husband have been hoping to conceive a child by now; I’m in my very early 40’s and have had MS since (they think) 1986. Right now my doc has me classified as low-level chronic. Leesa aka The Shadow Dancer Enclave BlackRose Community: http://www.shadowrayven.com/blackrose-studios/enclave/community/ –>new and improved!

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Valentina wrote: > I have to see my neuro soon.

hi valentina, congratulations on your soon-to-be-momhood! :-> if you’re seeing your neuro soon, maybe he or she would be able to tell you some of the info you’re looking for — i would ask about the M.S. meds before taking them while breastfeeding, for sure. i gave birth before being diagnosed, so none of this was an issue for me during my own pregnancy — mainly wanted to say congrats! in your situation, i think i would ask both the neuro and the OB/GYN the same questions, and discuss the answers given by the one, with the other. all the best to you and your family, rose

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Celeste wrote: > I nursed all three kids for 6 months each. They were big boys at 8 lbs and > it was hard to keep them satisfied without solid food too. They all went on > cereal by 2-2.5 months in addition to Mom. Solid food really helped them > sleep through the night so I could go to my job.

hi celeste, since your boys all turned out fine and healthy, this is moot as applies to your situation, but …i dunno about that! i think it’s the quality/quantity of the milk that keeps them satisfied. i was like a dang COW!! when my daughter was born, all the breastfeeding moms had to make 2-weeks-post-delivery visits, to ensure the babies were gaining weight — many of the other new moms had problems with their milk output. when i showed up for my visit, i’d used a breast pump and filled a large-sized bottle, in case she needed to be fed while iwas sitting in a public area filled with a zillion people, waiting many hours to be seen. the other new moms had the small-sized baby bottles, and none of them were even completely filled. they kept staring, and finally one woman asked me ‘excuse me, but — is that BREAST MILK in the bottle?" I said it was, and everyone exclaimed and shrieked and ooh’ed and aah’ed. i wore a nursing bra with double pads to bed every night, but when she woke up at night, before i could get her out of her crib and start feeding, the milk would have soaked through both pads, the nursing bra, my nightie, and run down my chest, not in trickles, but in RIVERS! she was 8.5 lbs at birth; two of my sisters had babies who were 10 lbs. at birth, a niece and a nephew, and all of us used breastfeeding exclusively for the first six months, and all our kids grew up to be strong and healthy. at the time, the doctors were ADAMANT about NOT adding cereal till the baby was at least 6 months old, as digestive problems could possibly result from adding semi-solid food too soon. breast-fed babies will just need to be fed more often than formula-fed babies, and i don’t think there’s any way around it — breast milk is processed faster — instead of every 4-6 hours, we were told to expect to feed them every 2-3 hours. LOL, I had NO idea what never getting more than 2-3 hours sleep at a time meant in the real world — sheesh! but in our case, tamara started sleeping through the night when she was 3 months old, and she was exclusively breast-fed up to that time, and for another three months afterward. she’s 22 now! :-> rose

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> i think it’s the quality/quantity of the milk that keeps them > satisfied. i was like a dang COW!! when my daughter was born, all the

Actually I was a cow too. oops the right term is probably wet nurse. My boys were just confused. They thought colic meant they were hungry. solid food helped that a lot too. Celeste

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Celeste wrote: > Actually I was a cow too. oops the right term is probably wet nurse.

LOL — I’ve occasionally thought that if i lived in another era, i’d have been assured steady employment as a wet nurse, till menopause hit, at least! i loved being pregnant, i’ve got wide hips and pelvic bones, and i produced enough milk to feed sextuplets — it really looks like nature designed me for ‘birthin’ babies,’ as my ma might have said. ;-> that i turned out to have problems, not with fertility, but with carrying a baby to term sometimes seems like ol’ ma nature laughing up her sleeve. i had a miscarriage the month before becoming pregnant with tam, and 2 of them after her birth. well, i just figure that means she was the one who was ‘meant to be,’ which makes her that much more special in my eyes. (if possible!) :-> rose

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pregnancy from a mans perspective with MS not much info for women,, but as far as a dad with ms goin thru brithing,, for me it caused an attack everytime,, this was due to me frikin excited out of my brains,, the long labour time,, waiting the whole thing ,, i stayed up a long time,, and after we got home,, i went crazy and become the over attentive father,, doin way to much and never resting till i got the attack about 2 weeks after each child was born,, this was my own fault,, as i acted kinda overblown,,, but the excitement and the stress and the whole entire process and the way i handled it gave me an attack,,, i got way up,, i was buzzin ,, could not sleep,, and then i had the burnout,, the down time,, the realization i was acting like a freakin idiot,, doin way to much and never resting till i was done in by it,,, for me it was the most exciting time of my life,, goin thru it all,, as a husband,, i could have avoided any ms attack just by calmin down and not gettin so emotionally overexcited,, but with both my children i worked myself into a tizzy and at 2 weeks after they were born both times i had an ms attack,, from stress and over excitment and not resting one day,,,, i was the very very over attentive new father!!!!!! then tried to work a job too while this weas goin on,,, rushing home from work goin out shoppin after,, pushed way tooo hard,, and did it to myself,,,, the only thing child birth will do is cause you over excitement if you let it,, both for the man and the woman,, as long as you rest and stay calm and not run around like a chicken with its head cut off, everyone birthing with ms will be just fine,,,, male or female,, bobbyD "rose" wrote in message

news:1113493164.470756.209770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Valentina wrote: >> I have to see my neuro soon. > hi valentina, > congratulations on your soon-to-be-momhood! :-> > if you’re seeing your neuro soon, maybe he or she would be able to tell > you some of the info you’re looking for — i would ask about the M.S. > meds before taking them while breastfeeding, for sure. > i gave birth before being diagnosed, so none of this was an issue for > me during my own pregnancy — mainly wanted to say congrats! > in your situation, i think i would ask both the neuro and the OB/GYN > the same questions, and discuss the answers given by the one, with the > other. > all the best to you and your family, > rose

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I had 3 boys. 1st son we had toxemia. This can happen at any time and is not considered related to MS. I spent 3 days in ICU. My son spent 6 days in ICN. 2nd son was just a pop and in and out of the hospital in less than one night. 3rd son was a pretty easy delivery although he kicked me in th middle of the night and broke the water so he was 2 weeks early. About a week later I had extreme low back pain and my left arm went numb. It was numb for nearly 6 weeks. The @#$% jerk PA who saw me told me to take advil that it was probably just a pinched nerve. I never went back to that doctor again. I was nursing so I ignored his advice. I nursed all three kids for 6 months each. They were big boys at 8 lbs and it was hard to keep them satisfied without solid food too. They all went on cereal by 2-2.5 months in addition to Mom. Solid food really helped them sleep through the night so I could go to my job. Dont worry about pregnancy. Just do it. Celeste

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> Well, according to my neurologist and OB doctor it was OK.

That is very interesting. At least there is something that we can do. > My eye sight got worse with my first preg- > nancy which had nothing to do with my MS. I didn’t wear glasses > until after that pregnancy.

I already wear glasses, but what I’m experiencing now it’s the classical "scotoma": loss of vision in the center of the eye. I have also some tinnitus (noises in the ears). I have to see my neuro soon. > Best of luck to you.

Thank you very much. > Is this your first?

Yes. And it is a male. > There is nothing in this world > like being a Mom!!!

Yes! I wouldn’t have miss this experience and I’m ready for some consequences (hoping that they are not too many!). Ciao, Valentina

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Delivery was Normal. Did have complications with toxemia with one child. Not much of a chance of relapse during pregnancy. It does not act like an immune disease. Most immune diseases get worse during pregancy. MS actually gets better. You will feel better than you can remember and on top of the world. The problems, if there are any, are after delivery. This risk is after delivery and for 6 months. Be sure to let the father know to watch you carefully for depression. dont let doctors tell you that any parethsesias are due to a pinched ciatic nerve. They are not. Neuros do not tend to manage pregnancy. OB-GYN or regular internists do. There is no treatment during pregnancy. Do not take any MS drugs as they tend to be teratogenic and will cause you to lose the baby. Celeste "Valentina" wrote in message

news:we76e.1206861$35.44439290@news4.tin.it… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In your experience, what is the standard way of delivery for a pregnant > MSer? Cesarean, Epidural analgesia, normal labor? > In case of relapse during pregnancy, are intravenous immunoglobulin really > used? > And what about breastfeeding? > I’ve read many studies regardin pregnancy and MS, but I would like to know > what is the effective standard management by neuros in different > countries. > Thank You, > Valentina > (from Florence, Italy)

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Thank you all for the information. I am now 6 month pregnant I would like to deliver with Epidural, but usually, here in Italy, docs prefer caesearan for MSers. Even if in this period (last three months of pregnancy) I am supposed not to have relapses, my right eye vision is getting worse. I don’t understand if it is an old problem (I had an ON some years ago in that eye) or a new relapse. You said that you took prednisone, but during pregnancy or after? And what about breastfeeding and prednisone? Is’nt it dangerous for the baby? Ciao, Valentina

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Well, according to my neurologist and OB doctor it was OK. My daughter turned out great. I took it during my pregnancy and while I was breastfeeding, it was such a small dose the I don’t believe the baby got much or any for that matter. It was a hard choice but I wanted her so badly and I didn’t want to get sick during or after my pregnancy, and I didn’t!! Also, about your eyes. My eye sight got worse with my first preg- nancy which had nothing to do with my MS. I didn’t wear glasses until after that pregnancy. Maybe that is what you are going through. Best of luck to you. Is this your first? There is nothing in this world like being a Mom!!! Smiles! Kami "Valentina" wrote in message

news:E_S6e.770389$b5.34426859@news3.tin.it… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you all for the information. > I am now 6 month pregnant > I would like to deliver with Epidural, but usually, here in Italy, docs > prefer caesearan for MSers. > Even if in this period (last three months of pregnancy) I am supposed not > to > have relapses, my right eye vision is getting worse. I don’t understand if > it is an old problem (I had an ON some years ago in that eye) or a new > relapse. > You said that you took prednisone, but during pregnancy or after? And what > about breastfeeding and prednisone? Is’nt it dangerous for the baby? > Ciao, > Valentina

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In your experience, what is the standard way of delivery for a pregnant MSer? Cesarean, Epidural analgesia, normal labor? In case of relapse during pregnancy, are intravenous immunoglobulin really used? And what about breastfeeding? I’ve read many studies regardin pregnancy and MS, but I would like to know what is the effective standard management by neuros in different countries. Thank You, Valentina (from Florence, Italy)

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HI Valentina, I had one baby before and one baby after being diagnosed with MS. I delivered in the standard manner. Neither one with an Epidural. My labor with both was very smooth but long and requited pitosen(sp?). The only difference with my baby after diagnosis was that my neuro had me stay on prednisone 10mg per day. I didn’t have any problem with my MS at all. I breast fed after the birth also. However, my first baby brought out my MS, about 6 weeks after birth I started having vertigo and had to go on valium. had to quit breast feeding because of that and did get better. About 2 months after that I lost the use of my right hand and started limping. They did an MRI and determined I had MS. That began a long string of steroids but I became symptom free for about 2 years and decided to have our second child. It went great both during and after the pregnancy, no problems at all for years. I did change my life still, started working at home until my youngest was 2 years old, tried to avoid stress as much as possible and didn’t sweat the small stuff. I wouldn’t change having my children for anything!! Even now that they are 9 and 12, have constant activities and I an having more problems with my MS. I take them to school and pick them up everyday, take then piano and practice for the sports they are playing at that time. It has been very rewarding! They are understanding of my MS and it isn’t the ruler of the house. I do have MS days but not so bad that I can’t be their Mom! If you decide to do this, good luck! It is a wonderful part of life!! Smiles! Kami (from Arizona, USA) "Valentina" wrote in message

Response:

Klonopin

admin — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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"b…@nospam.net" wrote:

> It is always the ones that contribute the least to helping anyone on > this news group that criticize the ones that do the most to actual help > people and share their experiences. This is the reason that MOST of the > people that were here a couple of years ago are no longer here.

This is utter bullshit. I’ve been around usenet and email support groups since 1990, and virtually NO-ONE stays with a group for more than a couple of years at a stretch. (Steve Harris on sci.med is a notable exception) Life is a dynamic process. People get busy with other things. People find _new_ groups to visit. People realize that the group can get along without them, and decide that they are spending too much time on the newsgroups. There are an enormous number of things which can cause people to leave a group. When they just get pissed, and leave purely because of anger, they usually end up seething and stewing for a while, then come back to see what’s happening. (Just like YOU did when you "left forever.") Most people tend to just fade away, due to apathy, or fascination with new things. I also think that your attempt to link people’s treatment of Doug Ruth on this group to his suicide are inappropriate as well. People don’t commit suicide because someone was insulting to them online. People commit suicide because they are mentally ill. Perhaps online insults and flame wars can exacerbate an already poor situation, but trying to lay the blame for Mr. Ruth’s death on a specific usenet poster is rather weak. Trying to make an analogy between that claim, and your argument with Charles suggests that perhaps you should seek counseling for depression. If you feel that Charles is driving you to the point where you need to make analogies between your interactions, and the online interactions of Mr. Ruth just before his suicide, then you may be experiencing a serious inability to appropriately respond to the social environment you are in. (And I am NOT saying this as an insult. I have experience with the issue, and it really does completely destroy your ability to get the proper perspective on things.) > I know that you hate my guts, and I really couldn’t care less. I > strongly suggest that you put me into your kill file immediately. If you > insist on playing your little games with me……It WILL get nasty. > Promise, not threat!

I really don’t understand what the problem is here. Maybe it’s because I ignore all the threads about CPAP and apnea, so I don’t get to see most of you guys’ posts. But restricting my opinions to just what was said in this thread, Charles made a perfectly polite and acceptable response to one of your posts. Yet later, you decided to mention him specifically in a post which wasn’t even a response to him. And what you said was really obnoxious. Now, expanding my opinions to what I have seen of your behavior with regards to John Fisher (one of the nicest people I’ve ever met on usenet), and your incredibly obnoxious and rude behavior towards him merely because he was nice to a spammer, I personally think that you are being unreasonable. > Better run along now Charles and check the posting with the girls on > alt. fashion. Perhaps you can attend another "scavenger cunt" like the > one you posted about on July 11 at 8:59:42. I think that comment is > quite indicative of the your attitude toward women.

People who take small snippets of postings out of context are among the lowest of the low. Especially when you quote posts from a completely unrelated group. Different groups have different styles. I doubt you’d like it if someone quoted something you said in a locker room when you were in high school, next time you are applying for a job. Context, and the social environment are critical for determining if something is appropriate. By taking a quote out of context, and posting it in a different environment, you are being truly repulsive. If you have something against Charles, then say it, don’t go trying to smear him with out of context quotations from unrelated newsgroups. And by the way, I’m calling you on the fact that you completely backtracked on your opinion of Klonopin, rather than admit that you were wrong. Read about it in another post on this thread. (Or don’t, I don’t really care.) -Bret Wood -bretw…@cs.uoregon.edu

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>Klonopin is not a sedative drug. >Klonopin IS a sedative drug. It is commonly used as a sedative drug.

I’m usually pretty quiet around here, just lurking in the wings, but I feel I must give my 2 cents worth… My daughters (age 4 and almost years old…) both have RLS/PLMD, and both are on Klonapin. When they first began taking it (like the first week…) it made them groggy-but then-WHOA! Bouncing off the walls! They now take Clonidine (Generic Catapress, usually used to treat high blood pressure) along with the Klonapin. The Clonidine helps them FALL asleep, and the Klonapin helps them STAY asleep. Amazing, Huh? So, we all have our "opinions", but let’s not bash each other for it. And Bret, didn’t your parents ever tell you that 2 wrongs don’t make a right? It’s not nice to insult someone for insulting someone ELSE-if it were you who were insulted, fine- otherwise,MYOB, and let them work it out amongst themselves-there’s always a resolution in the end as you have seen in the past-they participants in the feuds know when to say when, and call a truce. Everyone else sticking their noses in it just fans the flames, setting the scenerio for a long, nasty battle that might otherwise be overwith in just a few messages. (And, BTW, I’m NOT insulting you-just stating a few things I’ve observed.) PS…After this, I could use a few Oreos-anyone got a couple laying around? Happy Dreaming… Trish

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ZAPYA69 wrote: > So, we all have our "opinions", but let’s not bash each other for it. And Bret, > didn’t your parents ever tell you that 2 wrongs don’t make a right? It’s not > nice to insult someone for insulting someone ELSE-if it were you who were > insulted, fine- otherwise,MYOB, and let them work it out amongst > themselves-there’s always a resolution in the end as you have seen in the > past-they participants in the feuds know when to say when, and call a truce.

Bear started using a "dirty trick" when he took an out of context quote from another newsgroup and posted it here. I had someone do something similar to me several years ago, and it is _not nice_. Even though the post wasn’t directed at me, it was the same underhanded attack I had to put up with several years ago, and I felt that it was necessary for me to come to Charles’ aid so that he wouldn’t be "hung out to dry" the way I was when it happened to me. People who commit such egregious violations of netiquitte deserve to get flamed to a crisp IMNSHO. If one guy is going to start beating on someone else, should the rest of the world just stand back and watch? There comes a point where someone should step in and help. But, I do appreciate your opinion. And if I had any Oreos, I’d share them with you. :) -Bret

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"b…@nospam.net" wrote: > IMHO, treating insomnia with Klonopin is a poor "off chart > utilization of Klonopin. It has the longest serum half life of all the > benzo drugs, and leave the patient groggy an "hung over" in the morning > for a considerable time.

But originally, you said this: > Klonopin is not a sedative drug. I honestly don’t know where this > fallacy originated…… perhaps in the prescription pad of a > physician that didn’t read his P.D.R.

Klonopin IS a sedative drug. It is commonly used as a sedative drug. Even if it is an "off label" use, it is still one of the most common uses. When I was having a borderline manic episode, and took myself to the emergency room, they gave me a large dose of Klonopin, and sent me home to sleep it off. I was prescribed Klonopin as a sleeping pill for several weeks to help me force myself onto a nighttime sleep schedule. In most older psychiatric texts, Klonopin is listed as a "minor tranqualizer." More up to date texts use the term antianxiety agent instead. In psychiatry, the primary uses of Klonopin is to treat acute anxiety, and to induce drowsiness. Also, the only difference between a "side effect" and a "therapeutic effect" depends on _why_ you are taking the medication, not WHAT the medication is. In my case, I am taking Verapamil as a mood stabilizer. It is also lowering my blood pressure. If it stopped affecting my blood pressure, I really wouldn’t care, because that is a _side effect_ in my case, since I am taking the med to treat a mood disorder. On the other hand, if someone with angina started taking Verapamil, and they noticed that their cyclothymia (a very mild sub-clinical form of manic depression) had diminished, then the mood stabilization property would be the side effect. -Bret Wood -bretw…@cs.uoregon.edu

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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:41:49 GMT, jeba…@xxmicrodsi.net (Tom Miller) wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:41:42 GMT, clper…@swbell.net (Charles L. >Perrin) wrote: >> | On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:23:57 -0700, "b…@nospam.net" >> | wrote: >> | > Klonopin is not a sedative drug. I honestly don’t know where this >> | >fallacy originated…… perhaps in the prescription pad of a physician >> | >that didn’t read his P.D.R. >> | PDR covers the FDA-labeled uses of a drug. If Abbott didn’t put down >> | "it’s a sedative" in their FDA application, it’s not in the PDR. >Just a point of information, the drug descriptions in PDR (Physicians’ >Desk Reference) are written (and paid for) by the drug manufacturers. >PDR only collects the descriptions (called "package inserts") and >prints them in one place. Although this is a valuable service, it >doesn’t necessarily list all the ways a particular drug may be used, >as Charles correctly states.

Tom, It’s dangerous to agree with me. A certain b…@nospam.net has this pusillanimous habit of hiding behind his pseudonym and then trolling other newsgroups in which you have participated. Consider yourself warned. –C.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:30:14 -0700, "b…@nospam.net" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: > | x-no-archive: yes > | > | Tom Miller wrote: > | > > | > | > Just a point of information, the drug descriptions in PDR (Physicians’ > | > Desk Reference) are written (and paid for) by the drug manufacturers. > | > PDR only collects the descriptions (called "package inserts") and > | > prints them in one place. > | > | Hi Tom, > | > | You are totally accurate on this statement. It is a shame that it has > | become the "Bible" of pharmacology to many physicians today. It is > | nothing but a compilation of sales propaganda. This is the same book > | that listed Thalidomide as a "safe" drug several decades ago, the same > | recently with Redux. I can only wonder how many apnea patients have died > | from or are now suffering from M.V.P. as a result of this > | disinformation. IMHO, the PDR is useful only for looking up the correct > | spelling of a drug. If you want the real goodies on any medication, ask > | the doctors that prescribe it and the patients that take it every day.

Actually, although PDR certainly serves a sales function, it is not so much sales propaganda as it is legal protection for the pharmaceutical industry. If a doctor uses a drug for purposes not listed in the package insert and something goes wrong, the manufacturer may have some degree of legal protection from lawsuit. It works the other way around, too. If a doctor uses the drug as described in the package insert and the patient croaks, the doctor has some degree of legal protection. However, I would disagree that it is useless information. For many years there was no other convenient resource for prescribing information. Nowadays there are other resources but, as a result of publisher production schedules, none so up to date on new drugs as PDR — at least none that I know of. Most other countries have no similar publication, and envy us in the US with access to the PDR. It may not be complete as we would wish, but it is still, IMHO, useful. You are right that your local pharmacist is frequently a good source of information. A lot of these folks are really on top of things. Mine often knows more about counterindications and dosage information than my doctor. I am sure there are many drugs produced every year with the potential to become another Redux or Thalidomide, but the drug testing and approval process in the US is far from reckless. Most criticism I have read has complained that the procedure is too slow and conservative. Personally I am glad that I don’t have to make decisions about such things. Too thorough a procedure and people die because a drug is not yet available. Too quick and problems slip through. I know nothing about Klonopin, by the way. Just a lot about PDR. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> | > | Also, one of the most overlooked resources that we all have at our beck > | on call is our local pharmacist. These folks have extensive (and > | current) knowledge that goes WAY beyond putting pills from a small > | bottle and into a little bottle. I would put my faith in my local > | pharmacist any day before I would trust ANYTHING that was written about > | medications by ANYONE on the internet. If you have a question about > | medication that you are taking or might be thinking about taking, I > | strongly suggest that you discuss it with your local pharmacist. Most of > | these folks are bored stiff from filling pill bottles and typing labels > | into a computer. Just catch them at a time that they are not super busy > | and you can get a wealth of current accurate information for free. > | Imagine the concept! :!) Pharmacists are also the true experts on drug > | interactions. I would feel safe in saying the average pharmacist knows > | more about drug interactions that the average physician does. > | > | > | > Although this is a valuable service, it > | > doesn’t necessarily list all the ways a particular drug may be used, > | > as Charles correctly states. > | > | Agreed, that is why I commented on "off chart" applications of many > | medications. IMHO, treating insomnia with Klonopin is a poor "off chart > | utilization of Klonopin. It has the longest serum half life of all the > | benzo drugs, and leave the patient groggy an "hung over" in the morning > | for a considerable time. It is also quite addictive over the long run, > | and frequently difficult and unpleasant to try to get off of. > | > | IMHO, there are no safe and effective drugs for insomnia. They all come > | with a heavy price to pay down the line. IMHO, ANY medication for sleep > | inducing should only be taken as an absolute necessity and then only for > | as brief a period as possible. I have watched too many people suffer > | from Halcion and Valium withdrawal in my lifetime. It aint pretty! :!( > | > | >I have even noticed in recent PDRs that > | > some drug manufacturers have stopped including some of their older > | > drugs in the publication at all. > | > | Yes. IMHO, this practice sucks! :!( Just because a drug has been on > | the market for decades and has been used safely and effectively by > | million of people is no justification for not continuing to list it. It > | is blatantly obvious that the drug manufactures care about one > | thing…..MONEY!!!!!! Once the patent expires on a drug and it goes > | into generic manufacture, the profit motive for the drug company is > | gone. Why would they want to sell a safe and proven effective medication > | that costs 3 cents a pill when they can push their latest and greatest > | "discovery" at 7-8 $ per pill. > | > | > | > How they are getting this square with > | > the FDA requirement that they circulate prescribing information to all > | > doctors I don’t know. > | > | Good question. Especially for the "new" doctors. Yet another classic > | case of what your doctor doesn’t know can kill you. > | > | ……..Best Wishes…….Bear…. > | > > | > —————————————————- > | > "Trudy is Beauth, Beauth, Trudy"

Discarding of Travatan after 6 weeks

admin — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

I’ve just joined the list and after searching the archives for what people were saying about Travatan, I made the discovery that Travatan is supposed to be discarded after 6 weeks. I had not realized this and I asked my husband to go thru the product information insert and he couldn’t find it. I was about to get out a "fine-toothed comb" and search it mayself, but maybe there is someone who can tell me exactly where on the insert the 6-wk limit is located. Thanks!

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On 3 Mar 2005 16:19:03 -0800, "susanb1" wrote: > I’ve just joined the list and after searching the archives for what >people were saying about Travatan, I made the discovery that Travatan >is supposed to be discarded after 6 weeks. I had not realized this and >I asked my husband to go thru the product information insert and he >couldn’t find it. I was about to get out a "fine-toothed comb" and >search it mayself, but maybe there is someone who can tell me exactly >where on the insert the 6-wk limit is located. Thanks!

A computer copy of the [apparent] Travatan PDR is provided below, to aid hubby in his search assignment. We wouldn’t want you to have to stoop to: "search it myself ….." "Ctrl F"doesn’t come up with "6 weeks." ==================================== INDICATIONS CONTRA-INDICATIONS DOSAGE SIDE-EFFECTS PREGNANCY OVERDOSE IDENTIFICATION PATIENT INFORMATION TRAVATAN

Gender Reassignment Surgery

admin — Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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F.r a n k wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In news:AJPNd.314191$8l.78466@pd7tw1no, > mWarrior wrote : >>F.r a n k wrote: >>>In news:oNBNd.304927$6l.217220@pd7tw2no, >>>mWarrior wrote : >>>>Perhap its not the worst idea. After all women do get all the >>>>breaks in life. But isn’t their some things that surgey just >>>>cannot change. Man hands for example, those don’t look the best >>>>on women. Men also have larger heads then women. A man sized head >>>>on a women is not a pretty site. >>>>If I could trade being a man for being an attractive women I might >>>>consider it, But I would make such a ugly girl. >>> I already have feminine hands! Cool! And also feminine wrists, >>>feminine ankles… And even feminine hips! (my pelvis is too large. >>>I mean… as a man…!) >>Your good to go then. Enjoy all the material advantages of being a sex >>object. > Yeah!!! And the right to be sensitive, the right to speak up when you’ve > been abused (without being ridiculed for it), the right to stay at home with > the kids, etc etc.

In some areas (try Portand, Oregon, USA) men already have those rights. And yes, the rest of the world should continue to work toward true equality. Oh, though I have to add that women should be the ones to stay home with the kids for the first year, at least until science finds a practical way to stimulate lactation in men so fathers can breastfeed. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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Dolores wrote in news:FvqdnWZQ-PQNrZffRVn- h…@comcast.com: > The key is that it has to be a mixed group… you have to > actually make friends with women.

Girls–that’s where cooties comes from! — "Poor Jack–he was a wise man, but he loved playing with that wheat thresher. ALWAYS with the wheat thresher!" Peter Griffin. Winning Hearts&Minds: http://eerierodent.blogspot.com

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Dolores wrote in news:FvqdnWZQ-PQNrZffRVn- > h…@comcast.com: >> The key is that it has to be a mixed group… you have to >>actually make friends with women. > Girls–that’s where cooties comes from!

Be afraid. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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Dolores wrote in news:5-OdnVGnjJ-L1JffRVn- j…@comcast.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> Dolores wrote in news:FvqdnWZQ- PQNrZffRVn- >> h…@comcast.com: >>> The key is that it has to be a mixed group… you have to >>>actually make friends with women. >> Girls–that’s where cooties comes from! > Be afraid.

Of the Mad Persian Woman. — "Poor Jack–he was a wise man, but he loved playing with that wheat thresher. ALWAYS with the wheat thresher!" Peter Griffin. Winning Hearts&Minds: http://eerierodent.blogspot.com

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F.r a n k wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In news:1107834945.179376.19450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, > Gray Loser wrote : > > mWarrior wrote: > > > Perhap its not the worst idea. After all women do get all the > > > breaks in life. But isn’t their some things that surgey just cannot > > > change. Man hands for example, those don’t look the best on women. > > > Men also have larger heads then women. A man sized head on a women > > > is not a pretty site. > > > If I could trade being a man for being an attractive women I might > > > consider it, But I would make such a ugly girl. > > I might consider it too, except then I’d have to be a lesbian. Well, > > maybe not the worst of fates. > You know, this desire to be a girl, I think you should consider it very > seriously.

It’s not really a fantasy or a fixation for me. It’s mostly based on the observation that life would, in some ways, be much easier if I were a woman. Traits that have made my life empty and difficult as a male — such as social passivity and shyness — would be much less damaging as a female. Plus, women are a foreign enough phenomenon to me (since I’m Grade-A Femme Repellent) that it’s interesting to speculate about such things. > Up to the point that it may explain ALL your problems with > relating to girls (as more than friends).

True — it could. And it’s certainly safe to say that I don’t relate to females in a normal, healthy, masculine manner. I probably come off as fairly asexual to them. I think, though, that it’s easier to explain this in terms of social phobia, shyness, low self-esteem, etc. than in terms of some hidden "feminine psyche" or whatever. > And even your problems with being a "loser"…

Note, a lot of people on this group read a lot of significance into the fact that I selected "Gray Loser" as my handle. My self-esteem actually isn’t as cripplingly low as my handle might lead you to believe. It was just a reflection of how I felt at the time I selected the handle — depressed, lost, etc. I don’t consider myself a "loser," exactly. I am pretty successful by some societal measures. It’s just that I’m a socially awkward, unhappy person. > So how do you feel about the idea of trying to become a "real man" who’s > confident enough to approach the attractive girls and confident enough to > put them in his bed?

Heh heh heh. You know, just reading this paragraph felt surreal. I can barely wrap my brain around the concept of me… somehow… doing that stuff… Nope, can’t do it. Oh well.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dolores wrote in news:HbmdnZrcWdEWGpTfRVn- > s…@comcast.com: >>Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >>>Dolores wrote in > news:F72dnSuuzb4Y_ZTfRVn- >>>v…@comcast.com: >>>>I have strong opinions on breastfeeding. >>>No one wants to hear about your sick, perverted fetishes, lady. >>Except you, in lush technicolor detail. > PWNED AGAIN! Blast you vile woman!

— -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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mWarrior wrote: > F.r a n k wrote: >> So how do you feel about the idea of trying to become a "real man" >> who’s >> confident enough to approach the attractive girls and confident enough to >> put them in his bed? > I personally don’t know if I can ever reach that point. My strategy now > is to learn how to stop caring about women’s feelings. If I can > objectify them I should be able to approach and seduce them with less > trouble…..right?

From observing my friends locally, and trust me, a more motley crew of neurotic geek-types could not be deliberately assembled without spending millions on recruiters, the whole "finding a kindred spirit" thing works best when you hang out with a mixed group of people who have similar interests. The key is that it has to be a mixed group… you have to actually make friends with women. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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F.r a n k wrote: > So how do you feel about the idea of trying to become a "real man" who’s > confident enough to approach the attractive girls and confident enough to > put them in his bed?

I personally don’t know if I can ever reach that point. My strategy now is to learn how to stop caring about women’s feelings. If I can objectify them I should be able to approach and seduce them with less trouble…..right?

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Dolores wrote in news:HbmdnZrcWdEWGpTfRVn- s…@comcast.com: > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> Dolores wrote in

news:F72dnSuuzb4Y_ZTfRVn- >> v…@comcast.com: >>>I have strong opinions on breastfeeding. >> No one wants to hear about your sick, perverted fetishes, lady. > Except you, in lush technicolor detail.

PWNED AGAIN! Blast you vile woman! — "Poor Jack–he was a wise man, but he loved playing with that wheat thresher. ALWAYS with the wheat thresher!" Peter Griffin. Winning Hearts&Minds: http://eerierodent.blogspot.com

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Dolores wrote in news:F72dnSuuzb4Y_ZTfRVn- > v…@comcast.com: >>I have strong opinions on breastfeeding. > No one wants to hear about your sick, perverted fetishes, lady.

Except you, in lush technicolor detail. — -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Dolores wrote: >> F.r a n k wrote: >>> In news:W_ydnS8zmtHhspXfRVn-3w@comcast.com, >>> Dolores wrote : >>>> In some areas (try Portand, Oregon, USA) men already have those >>>> rights. >>>> And yes, the rest of the world should continue to work toward true >>>> equality. >>>> Oh, though I have to add that women should be the ones to stay home >>>> with the kids for the first year, at least until science finds a >>>> practical >>>> way to stimulate lactation in men so fathers can breastfeed. >>> Well lots of women don’t breastfeed… (or just for one month or >>> something) That’s why they invented the "milk for babies" (yeah one can >>> sound stupid when it’s not our native language…) >> I have strong opinions on breastfeeding. Medical science shows >> incontrovertably that it is detrimental to babies to be fed artificial >> baby milk in place of real mother’s milk. > Outrageous! If God had meant for women to breast feed their > babies, he would have equipped them with some sort of breast milk > producing apparatus.

LOL! >> If you don’t think babies should have breastmilk, don’t have babies. > August Pamplona

– -=Lola Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole

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In news:W_ydnS8zmtHhspXfRVn-3w@comcast.com, Dolores wrote : > In some areas (try Portand, Oregon, USA) men already have those > rights. > And yes, the rest of the world should continue to work toward true > equality. > Oh, though I have to add that women should be the ones to stay home > with the kids for the first year, at least until science finds a > practical > way to stimulate lactation in men so fathers can breastfeed.

Well lots of women don’t breastfeed… (or just for one month or something) That’s why they invented the "milk for babies" (yeah one can sound stupid when it’s not our native language…) —