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Hi Deirdre, I believe you coped with your anxiety through anger. It is not so unusual. Sometimes things bottle up and explode when least expected. Take care, Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why —   I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. — Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/

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Hey Dierdre, I must say, like Jackie, we are all human and sometimes we act like it!!  I have had those moments and I am a very mild-mannered person but there is just a button that sometimes gets pushed that sends me over the edge. In fact, right this second, I feel so much  anger against  someone who sent me a link to another forum where this person said terrible things about me. I don’t know why he felt the need to do this.  One reply he got about me was "Panic, that’s a bunch of crap."  My blood is boiling and I have fired off and email to him. I know sometimes our senses are very strong and things just feel bigger than what they are.  I once ripped a check up into a million pieces and threw it in a store manager’s face!  I had run out of checks and went to the bank and got some with my account number on it but they didn’t have our name.  Had the manager handled things differently, I would have been ok but he was very condascending and LOL my husband knows when to walk away and act like he doesn’t know me!!  That was many years ago, before I had panic. Anyway, don’t beat yourself up about this.  At least you didn’t act on your feelings.  I hope you are feeling calmer now.  It’s very irritating when people act like that guy on the road.  Anyone would have reacted to it in some way. Take care, Vicki

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take.  – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why —   I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take.  – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/

Deirdre, You are not a monster.  Rage is a nasty beast, but I’m very familiar with it.  I have quite a few stories like this, all related to driving for some reason. I have read that fear is anger turned inward, so I wonder if the opposite applies.  Anger is that fear focused outward.  I know when someone honks their horn at me, my first thought is something like "Hey, Dawn, you’re stupid, you’re doing something wrong here!" Then whatever self preservation I have kicks in, and since there’s a convenient person to blame/attack (the honker), they get it.  Now, I know people honk for no reason at all, and you haven’t done anything wrong, but my instincts don’t process that information in the heat of the moment. I guess what I’m saying is, it’s attack them or attack myself, and them seems like a better option.  I find that I’m really upset at myself, and that’s why the anger lasts so long.  It’s disproportionate to the event. I wouldn’t be so sure it’s caused by isolation, although you know yourself best and yours may very well be.  I can tell you that my sister is an almost constant rageaholic and she is definitely not isolated. Mine only comes out when I’m feeling particularly vulnerable, and seems to have dissipated here in Tucson where everyone is so courteous when they drive that I wonder if they haven’t been replaced with cyborgs . Example:  one evening I was driving home in rush hour traffic.  TWICE I was in line behind someone who missed the green light, and not one single person honked, including myself.  It was like everyone just thought "Oh, we’re missing the light, oh well…" and went on singing Imagine to themselves.  LOL.  Weird. Anyway, please don’t beat yourself up (from the queen of that particular behavior).  It doesn’t mean you are a monster, just human, and probably harder on yourself than you should be.  I suspect that those of us who spend a lot of time being hard on ourselves occasionally need to vent, and driving seems like a safe place to do it because it’s anonymous and you’re in your car so you can drive away. ((((((((((((Deirdre))))))))))))) Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past.

<SNIP I saw my new therapist today and we talked about the incident and have decided to add anger management strategies to our work together. She helped me a great deal by helping me look at the situation in different ways. Since I catastrophized this thing, she had me try this: imagine what happened, and then make it as huge and crazy as I could to the point where it became funny. I did it, and it didn’t take long before I was laughing and felt relief. I thought I would share this with the group in case anyone can use this technique. Thanks again to everybody for the support and advice. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I saw my new therapist today and we talked about the incident and have ::decided to add anger management strategies to our work together. She helped ::me a great deal by helping me look at the situation in different ways. Since ::I catastrophized this thing, she had me try this: imagine what happened, and ::then make it as huge and crazy as I could to the point where it became ::funny. I did it, and it didn’t take long before I was laughing and felt ::relief. I thought I would share this with the group in case anyone can use ::this technique. Dear Deirdre, I`m glad you talked to your therapist about the incident. It`s always good to get someone else`s perspective. I like the technique she taught you. Great idea! Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dear Everyone, You all made excellent points and I am very grateful.  I didn’t respond right away because I needed a day to get away from thinking about the incident and my reaction to it. (I did 7 loads of laundry and other useful normie things — I’m accepting accolades and chocolate now, if any of you…. <LOL) I have the feeling I didn’t communicate *exactly what I wanted to — no wonder, since I was definitely *not thinking straight. I’m going to try to clarify, for you and for myself. It wasn’t the *fact that I got mad that had me feeling so sick. It wasn’t the *fact that I flipped the finger and yelled. The two connected things that upset me so badly, to the point of feeling insane *and physically ill, were: 1. my feeling of anger was way out of proportion, and dangerously close to becoming violent — my adrenaline was pumping full steam ahead. 2. my reactive thoughts to #1: absolute terror at the idea that I could be so out of control, and all that could mean. The guy who honked didn’t freak me out. I freaked myself out. Or maybe my disorders freaked me out. Where do I draw the line between what is my responsibility and what should be blamed on the sickness? Or is that distinction unnecessary? I have thrashed that question to death for years. <sigh I over analyze things  (for those of you who know about this: I have Sun-Moon-Mercury close together in Virgo). I think my de-socialization contributes to my behavior ‘out there’ — it can’t help but do that. I don’t think it *caused me to get mad, but it surely exacerbated it.  I’m going to be going over all this with my therapist on Friday, you can be sure of that.  Meantime, I’m feeling much better. The day away from it helped. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Everyone, You all made excellent points and I am very grateful.  I didn’t respond right away because I needed a day to get away from thinking about the incident and my reaction to it. (I did 7 loads of laundry and other useful normie things — I’m accepting accolades and chocolate now, if any of you…. <LOL) I have the feeling I didn’t communicate *exactly what I wanted to — no wonder, since I was definitely *not thinking straight. I’m going to try to clarify, for you and for myself. It wasn’t the *fact that I got mad that had me feeling so sick. It wasn’t the *fact that I flipped the finger and yelled. The two connected things that upset me so badly, to the point of feeling insane *and physically ill, were: 1. my feeling of anger was way out of proportion, and dangerously close to becoming violent — my adrenaline was pumping full steam ahead.

If you find an answer to this, I would like it too please. The best that I have been able to figure is that this kind of reaction is some kind of defence mechanism that is either "on" or "off" with little in between. (fight or flight…and I always fight) 2. my reactive thoughts to #1: absolute terror at the idea that I could be so out of control, and all that could mean.

You get this shortly after the episode has subsided, right?  I mostly get a case of the "shakes" and then feel completely drained emotionally. The guy who honked didn’t freak me out. I freaked myself out. Or maybe my disorders freaked me out. Where do I draw the line between what is my responsibility and what should be blamed on the sickness? Or is that distinction unnecessary? I have thrashed that question to death for years. <sigh I over analyze things  (for those of you who know about this: I have Sun-Moon-Mercury close together in Virgo).

Good questions. The problem is that the situations that trigger this response type come upon us too quickly to formulate a plan to handle them on the spot. The one thing that has helped me situations where I know I could lose it (for example return counters at stores) is to tell myself to just remain calm it doesn’t matter that much. I however have not found a way to handle situations where I am blind-sided. I think my de-socialization contributes to my behavior ‘out there’ — it can’t help but do that. I don’t think it *caused me to get mad, but it surely exacerbated it.  I’m going to be going over all this with my therapist on Friday, you can be sure of that.  Meantime, I’m feeling much better. The day away from it helped. Deirdre

I don’t know about de-socialization and its effects in this regard. Your therapist may be able to help you and it is a good idea to bring it up in your next session. Time does heal doesn’t it. (((((((((((Deirdre))))))))))) — Ron P If you are in a hole and can’t get out. The first thing to do is to stop digging!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why —   I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take.  – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<Very gently snipped ::I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant ::things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you ::lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, ::and you can lose control of your adult behavior. :: ::I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know ::what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. :: ::If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a ::little like a monster. Dear Deirdre, You are not a monster, not even close! You ~are~ a human being who has been dealing with a lot of shit the last few years. Anyone would be feeling overwhelmed, angry, isolated and scared. It builds up after awhile and comes out when you least expect it or want it. It takes a lot of courage and strength to want to examine…. and change why this happened in the first place. Most people that road rage will justify what they did. I don`t hear that from you at all. I urge you to discuss this with your pdoc and/or therapist. I know you are on prozac and wellbutrin. I have heard of isolated cases of people angrily acting out while on these antidepressants. It seems that this reaction was very out of character for you. It`s important to make sure your meds didn`t play a part in this. It`s just a good idea anyways to discuss this incident with a professional. I`ll share my story just for you It was one week post-partum after having my daughter Katie. I was sent home with extremely high blood pressure. I`m talking 180/120. I had pre-eclampsia. I was terrified I was going to drop dead of a stroke. The doctor would not give me any meds because I was breast-feeding. Throw in some sleepless nights, a cranky newborn, raging hormones, leaking breasts, ficking itchy episiotomy… and a husband who just bought a car behind my back when there was no money for one…….all of this stress spawned mega-super-bitch from hell. When my husband told me he bought that car, I reached for a ceramic canister and aimed for his head. Thank god I`ve never been able to throw to save my life. The canister shattered against the cabinet into a millions pieces which sent my husband scurrying into the like one sometimes I hope you don`t beat yourself up anymore over this. Learn from it, and heed the message this incident is trying to give you. It`s a warning that something has to change in your life. (((((Deirdre))))) Jackie ~*~You think you know who you are. You have no idea~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why — I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take.  – Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/

Deirdre, In the past, I’ve been prone to road rage too.  I am an extremely nervous driver, and get excited and mad easily.  Anymore, I don’t do it so much, after hearing so many stories about people being shot and stuff for things like flipping people off, etc. I’m sorry that incident upset you so much.  People in cars can be so infuriating.  I’m the same way when I get upset, it takes me a long time to come down from it.  I’m glad the Klonopin helped, when you finally took it. S*** happens.  Blow it off.  Don’t go into the catastrophic thinking and and start piling on every bad thing you’ve ever done.  It was just a bad scene, you lived through it.  Some people are A*******, and that’s just a fact of life. Sometimes they cross your path and ruin your day.  Today’s a new day, you ought to make yourself get out of the house and do something that makes you happy.  Go buy a pint of your favorite ice cream.  Have a friendly conversation with a stranger in line.  Not everyone out there is a jerk.  If you fall off the horse, get right back on!! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((D))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Stuff happens Deirdre, don’t let it get you down. That guy will forget about it and so should you. Try to have a good day Deirdre. — there is no .sig

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, As you may remember, I don’t go out of the house much. It’s been that way for a few years. Today something happened that drove home to me how vital it is that I change my life in this regard, because it seems I’ve lost my emotional callouses. You know, the things you do/think automatically that stop you from overreacting to things that strangers do. I have got to get re-socialized somehow. I was bringing Mom home from a doctor appointment and a guy honked his horn at me because I slowed down to look for oncoming traffic before I turned. It seems to me that the worst thing a healthy person might do is honk back. I went completely ballistic. I raised the middle finger and screamed out the window that he should do something to himself that is not possible for most men. My poor Mom kept telling me to calm down, to forget about it, but I just kept yelling at the guy. He sped past me and turned where I would be turning. I was headed for the post office, but when I saw him pull in there, and slam his door and stomp toward the building I just went on past. I felt sick to my stomach. My hands were shaking, I was sweating, my heart was pounding. I got home on some kind of mental auto-pilot. I kept apologizing to Mom but I was still angry and was even thinking about turning around and catching up with him to pound the crap out of him. I’m glad to report that I simply went home, helped Mom into the house, and went into my room to try to find distraction in the computer. I was determined to get through this without a Klonopin. I don’t know why —  I just was. The only tool I could think of to use was distraction, and it helped some, but I was still obsessing about the incident. I decided I was feeling this way because I hadn’t had enough sleep last night (4 hours) so I lay down for a nap. I couldn’t even close my eyes because all the things I’ve ever done that I am still ashamed of kept coming up at me. I couldn’t stop these awful memories. I wanted to scream. I knew I had to do something physical, so I got up and gathered all the trash and took it to the dumpster. Maybe I thought it would symbolically cleanse my mind of ‘trash’ thoughts. I don’t know, but I felt compelled to do it. I still felt nauseated. I finally started to feel a little less stressed after I sat down and wrote all my thoughts as they came out, not stopping for spelling and so on. Anyway, I only ate a little supper, but it made me feel sick again. So here I am, two Klonopin working their way into my system. I shall soon be very calm. I wanted to share this with all of you for the usual reasons. Unpleasant things can and will happen if you isolate yourself to the point where you lose your automatic defense mechanisms, your automatic self-parenting talk, and you can lose control of your adult behavior. I’m grateful Mom was in the car with me. If I had been alone, I don’t know what would have happened, but it scares me to think about it. If anybody’s got a similar story, I’d love to hear from you. I still feel a little like a monster. Thanks for reading, Deirdre If you don’t really know Where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take. — Neil Young ("We Never Danced") Every once in a while, I update my blog. Check it out, and if it’s been more than 2 weeks since I’ve written, please scold me. Thank you. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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am I menopauseal

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In article <33irhhF4112t…@individual.net>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: > "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:vze23t8n-BBF422.11303630122004@news.verizon.net… > > In article <33ii1tF3unvb…@individual.net>, > >  "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "Lil Texas Doxies" > > > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > > > Welcome to a.s.m. > > OK, you had me going with number 5 until I went back and looked at the > > OP’s name.  ;-) > > Priscilla, who had (very) briefly wondered if Marilee had wandered onto > > another plane of reality > Not this time.  :) > I figured she must either own or breed dachshunds because someone who fits > the meaning of "doxy" would likely not use it in her e-mail address or > online identity. > I could be wrong…..

LOL!  I think you’re right.  Unless, of course, she lived in Nevada? Priscilla — "It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever.   The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." – QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal

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news:vze23t8n-BBF422.11303630122004@news.verizon.net… > In article <33ii1tF3unvb…@individual.net>, >  "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Lil Texas Doxies" > > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > > Welcome to a.s.m. > OK, you had me going with number 5 until I went back and looked at the > OP’s name.  ;-) > Priscilla, who had (very) briefly wondered if Marilee had wandered onto > another plane of reality

Not this time.  :) I figured she must either own or breed dachshunds because someone who fits the meaning of "doxy" would likely not use it in her e-mail address or online identity. I could be wrong….. Marilee

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news:vze23t8n-BBF422.11303630122004@news.verizon.net… > In article <33ii1tF3unvb…@individual.net>, >  "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: > > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > > Welcome to a.s.m. > OK, you had me going with number 5 until I went back and looked at the > OP’s name.  ;-) > Priscilla, who had (very) briefly wondered if Marilee had wandered onto > another plane of reality

Oh!  I was wondering about question #5, too – *now* I see…  ;-) Cathy

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"Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1: > I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the > cramps just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the > last 2 years or so been waking up sweating at night even when it is > freezing cold. Well now this month when I started my period I much of > nothing I mean I could use a panty liner compared to me having to wear > a tampon and a pad. I had no cramps really were they use to just > almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to be 34. I am just wondering if > this is what might be going on with me. I have had a few irregular > periods but nothing that isnt due to stress really.

I have nothing to add to what the others have said, except to say, ‘Welcome to asm’.  :-) Chakolate — It is always easier to believe than to deny. Our minds are naturally affirmative.   –John Burroughs

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yes I am a Doxie Breeder LOL!!!! Must be a Stressed one maybe. DoxieMomma "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:vze23t8n-2E25C8.12204630122004@news.verizon.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <33irhhF4112t…@individual.net>, > "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: >> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:vze23t8n-BBF422.11303630122004@news.verizon.net… >> > In article <33ii1tF3unvb…@individual.net>, >> >  "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > "Lil Texas Doxies" >> > > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? >> > > Welcome to a.s.m. >> > OK, you had me going with number 5 until I went back and looked at the >> > OP’s name.  ;-) >> > Priscilla, who had (very) briefly wondered if Marilee had wandered onto >> > another plane of reality >> Not this time.  :) >> I figured she must either own or breed dachshunds because someone who >> fits >> the meaning of "doxy" would likely not use it in her e-mail address or >> online identity. >> I could be wrong….. > LOL!  I think you’re right.  Unless, of course, she lived in Nevada? > Priscilla > — > "It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest > of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever. > The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." > – QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal

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My First Child is 14 yrs old fixing to be 15. I one other child which is fixing to be 12 jan 4 2005 Nope not any more LOL Stress ?? BILLS!!! LOL "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:33ii1tF3unvblU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in message > news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1… >>I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps >>just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years >>or so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well >>now this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could >>use a panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had >>no cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon >>to be 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I >>have had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress >>really. > Some questions: > 1)  How old is your "first child"? > 2)  Have you had additional children? > 3)  Are you breast feeding? > 4)  What unusual stresses/stressors are you dealing with?  (Give only as > much information as you’re comfortable with.) > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > Welcome to a.s.m. > Marilee

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Thanks For the warm welcome also. DoxieMomma "Chakolate" <chakolateDeathToSpamm…@allvantage.com> wrote in message

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In article <33ii1tF3unvb…@individual.net>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - "Marilee" <marilee.erick…@gmail.com> wrote: > "Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in message > news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1… > >I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps > >just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years > >or so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well > >now this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could > >use a panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had > >no cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to > >be 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I > >have had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress > >really. > Some questions: > 1)  How old is your "first child"? > 2)  Have you had additional children? > 3)  Are you breast feeding? > 4)  What unusual stresses/stressors are you dealing with?  (Give only as > much information as you’re comfortable with.) > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > Welcome to a.s.m.

OK, you had me going with number 5 until I went back and looked at the OP’s name.  ;-) Priscilla, who had (very) briefly wondered if Marilee had wandered onto another plane of reality — "It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever.   The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." – QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal

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"Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in message news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1… >I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps >just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years >or so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well >now this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could >use a panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had >no cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to >be 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I >have had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress >really.

Some questions: 1)  How old is your "first child"? 2)  Have you had additional children? 3)  Are you breast feeding? 4)  What unusual stresses/stressors are you dealing with?  (Give only as much information as you’re comfortable with.) and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? Welcome to a.s.m. Marilee

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Marilee wrote: > "Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in message > news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1… > >I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps > >just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years > >or so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well > >now this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could > >use a panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had > >no cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to > >be 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I > >have had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress > >really. > Some questions: > 1)  How old is your "first child"? > 2)  Have you had additional children? > 3)  Are you breast feeding? > 4)  What unusual stresses/stressors are you dealing with?  (Give only as > much information as you’re comfortable with.) > and OT–5)  Do you raise dachshunds, by any chance? > Welcome to a.s.m. > Marilee

And another couple of questions. Have you had a tubal ligation, and if so was it performed before you started having night sweats? Have you seen a doctor about hese night sweats? If you haven’t I suggest you do so within the near future since they may be due to something other than perimenopause or thyroid problems.

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Lil Texas Doxies <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote: > I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps > just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years or > so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well now > this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could use a > panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had no > cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to be > 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I have > had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress really.

Since you are a little young to be experiencing peri-menopause (though it’s not unheard of), you should rule out other possible causes of a change in menstrual flow, like your thyroid. If everything checks out, then consider yourself an early starter. — ****** Keera in Norway ****** * Think big. Shrink to fit. * http://home.online.no/~kafox/

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i second keera’s suggestion of ruling out your thyroid.  if you are hyperthyroid, as i am, one of the symptoms is irregular menstral cycles. make a doctor appointment and specifically mention that you would like blood work to rule out any thyroid problems. hth. mickey "Lil Texas Doxies" <liltxdox…@spam.com> wrote in message news:41d3edd6$1_4@127.0.0.1… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have had a heavy period every since I had my first child and the cramps > just about killed me the first few days. I have been for the last 2 years or > so been waking up sweating at night even when it is freezing cold. Well now > this month when I started my period I much of nothing I mean I could use a > panty liner compared to me having to wear a tampon and a pad. I had no > cramps really were they use to just almost knock me out. I am 33 soon to be > 34. I am just wondering if this is what might be going on with me. I have > had a few irregular periods but nothing that isnt due to stress really. > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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Moses Lake accepts challenge to eat better and get more exercise

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Moses Lake accepts challenge to eat better and get more exercise Monday, November 15, 2004 By JULIE DAVIDOW SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER MOSES LAKE — From the freeway, there are no obvious signs that Moses Lake is a town determined to shape up and lose weight. Fast and fatty food options — McDonald’s, Arby’s and Burger King — dot the approach from Interstate 90. But a couple of miles off the highway, across the street from City Hall, sits a garden. Or, more precisely, it’s about half a block split into many mini-gardens. The plots are tended by 50 or so residents who enthusiastically offer up the size of their parsnips and the amount of morning sun their crops bask in. This rectangular slice of land is the most vital site of a citywide effort started three years ago to eat better and exercise more. "Safeway, eat your heart out," said Jeanne Segal, showing off a bounty of root vegetables. It’s no quick fix, no fad diet, but rather an attempt to gradually transform lifestyles. In the national war against obesity, folks in Moses Lake are the foot soldiers. The city of 16,000 is the first in Washington state selected for a pilot fat-fighting program using seed money from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "People don’t seem to have time to get out and do the things that are better for their health," said Bill Jones, a retired farmer. "They’re just not getting out unless they have a reason, and this kind of gardening gives people a reason." About eight years ago, Jones moved to a mobile-home park in town with little room for a garden. Now, in two plots in the center of town, courtesy of the government, he grows tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini and squash. It may not be dramatic, but what’s happening in Moses Lake could be a model for cities around the state and the nation. Washington was among the first group of states to receive grants three years ago to address obesity. The money, $2.6 million so far, is meant to spur programs that turn the tide of obesity by promoting physical activity and healthy eating. In addition to Moses Lake, which has received about $135,000, the grant money has been spread across the state to plan safe bicycle routes to schools, train child care providers to cut kids’ television time and to make it easier to get around on foot. "The ultimate goal is to create an environment that provides the healthy choice as the easy choice," said Kyle Unland, obesity prevention coordinator for the state. "It’s kind of like, if you build it, they will come. "We’ve always gone right to the individual and said this is how you exercise more and eat better," Unland said. "But here we are with our obesity rates still rising with a population getting heavier and more sedentary." Why Moses Lake? Data aren’t available yet to indicate how many of Moses Lake’s citizens are overweight, but statewide, 59 percent of adults are either overweight or obese (compared with 65 percent nationwide). Located 180 miles from Seattle smack in the heart of Eastern Washington, Moses Lake is relatively isolated, making it a good candidate to launch the state’s big-picture approach to obesity. It’s small enough to gauge significant community involvement and far enough away from anyplace to rule out the influence of a neighboring city. Mount Vernon in Skagit County is next up in the state to tackle obesity using the federal grant. In addition to the community garden, Moses Lake chose to focus on breast-feeding — some studies suggest that breast-feeding might decrease a child’s odds of obesity later in life — and improving an existing system of walking and biking trails. Several businesses have set aside rooms for mothers to breast-feed while shopping downtown. The city has printed trail maps, posted signs to walking spots around the lake and plans to link up pathways that now dead-end. Residents can rent the garden plots for $5 to $20 a year; the city pays for water. On a Sunday afternoon in early November, the sun is out, but the city’s garden plots are brown and dry. It’s the end of the growing season, and the gardeners are pulling their last crops from the ground. Agriculture still drives the local economy in Moses Lake. But these gardens represent an altogether different, more intimate relationship with the land. Here, the gardeners grow food they will put on the dinner table, not send out to market. "You can go out and pick your carrots, chop them up and put them in a soup, rather than going to the grocery store," said Andrew Bechyne, a city park employee. "You think about what you have in the garden rather than what’s easy." Government agencies often suggest regimens for staying fit: 30 minutes of exercise at least five days a week. In truth, America’s weight gain has less to do with daily visits to the gym than daily routines that require very little or no activity. Cultivating crops by hand might not burn as many calories as running or playing tennis, but an evening spent hoeing, raking and planting is also time spent away from the couch. "I’m not a walker or a hiker or a biker," said Jones, the retired farmer. "That’s for young people," he said while chopping down dead stalks with a machete in a friend’s plot. Jones and Ellie Chadwick, a retired school librarian, got to know each other at the garden on early summer mornings while everyone else was dashing off to work. Chadwick said she used to spend her mornings drinking coffee and watching television. "I hated it," she said. "This has really been good for me. I think it’s the best thing Moses Lake has ever done." Alicia Perkins said her daughter, 6-year-old Maurissa Russ, has always liked vegetables, but caring for a pumpkin patch with her Girl Scout troop has piqued her curiosity about the purple-leafed lettuce and bright yellow squash she spies in neighboring plots. "In my family, we fight a weight problem," Perkins said. "I like this because it’s teaching her how to eat healthy. It’s making her willing to try new things." Other than former Mayor Lee Blackwell, who lost 35 pounds to promote Moses Lake’s new healthy living approach, there’s little direct evidence of a collective slim-down. But no one expects to see immediate results, anyway. It could take a decade before the town’s efforts are reflected in survey data. And that’s not the point, Goodwin said. "If we’ve made a difference in policy and environment, that’s the goal," Goodwin said. "There won’t be a scale weighing people, no." EDITOR’S NOTE: This is part of an occasional series on the nation’s obesity crisis and how people in the Northwest are affected. See earlier stories http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/specials/obesity/ .

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omega 6/ omega 3

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Hi , I finished a Master in Clinical and Dietary Nutrition, the argument of my  Thesis  was " Role of the essential fatty acids omega 6/omega 3 in the diet " ; if someone it’s interested to consult it (index, bibliografy and preview is free of course) can find it to this address: http://tesionline.corriere.it/default/tesi.asp?idt=8684 Sorry but the language is Italian because I’m from Italy Thank you very much for your attention, bye… Alessandro

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Google translation: "The fat acids are the more important and common member than all the lipid classes and like such they are wide represents to you in the organisms living in which carry out structural functions, energetic and metaboliche.Possono to be it saturates (no double tie) or to introduce one or more double ties (mono and polinsaturi). In the category of fat acids polinsaturi (PUFA – Poly Unsaturated Fatty Acids) fat acids essential (EFA are distinguished – Essential Fatty Acids). Their essenzialit

Zzz Is Bing Han Defective or Mark Thorson?

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I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

Sure, Dave.  Prove it. — | "Really, I’m not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a | | completely unintentional side effect. " — Linus Torvalds      |

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He continually insists he didn’t lie. I have many times asked you for an example of one of these LIES you claim I told, and you have not been able to post EVEN ONE example.

That can’t be true.  Jan herself has told us (and Jan never lies: she told us that too) that she always proves her claims. — | "Really, I’m not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a | | completely unintentional side effect. " — Linus Torvalds      |

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I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

You have lied many times to sell your product. For example, you said: "The FDA lab detected some pesticides at a level that is below Canadian and European requirements. It should be noted that these pesticides are produced naturally in the growing fields and are not man made." That is not true.  TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also known as BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE) are synthetic chemicals. As another example, you said: "Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications, because it is food." http://www.people.virginia.edu/~smb4v/pedpharm/v4n5.htm Ginseng is contraindicated in asthma, renal failure, Stage 2 or higher hypertension, acute inflammatory or infectious diseases, bronchitis and emphysema, chronic diseases of the gastrointestinal tract (i.e., diverticulitis, gastroesophageal reflux disease), heart failure, arrhythmias, edema, insomnia, anxiety, pregnancy, and breast-feeding. Reported adverse effects of ginseng include insomnia, nervousness, excitation, diarrhea, and skin disorders. Little is known about drug interactions with ginseng; however, the literature contains two case reports describing ginseng drug interactions. A patient previously well controlled on warfarin therapy experienced a loss of anticoagulant control (subtherapeutic INR) after the initiation of ginseng. In addition, a patient taking both ginseng and digoxin experienced an elevated digoxin level. Because objective scientific data documenting therapeutic benefits of ginseng are lacking, the role of ginseng as a legitimate therapeutic agent is neither established nor accepted by the medical community. Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement.

No, I post about the dangers of your ginseng to inform the public, so they have the complete information that they should know. He is like the poor misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to understand. He is a publicly proven liar.

Baloney.  What you call "lies" are facts obtained from reliable sources. He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional products contain dangerous chemicals.

On the contrary, a product containing TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also known as BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE) cannot be naturally grown. He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this is classed as a psychopathic condition. Anyway, here’s his last self destructive run.

I have received no communication directly from Bing Han. The only communication I have received is indirectly from you, posted in Usenet newsgroups.  Because of your history of lying, I cannot believe any of your statements to be factual. I’m sure you wish you could suppress the truth about Bing Han ginseng by bluff and bluster.  You seem to be very threatened by it.

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I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

You sell a remarkably-overpriced and not particularly remarkable type of ginseng.  You have shown no evidence of being "spiritual" and have been caught lying on many occasions.  (For example, about the nutritional value of algae.) Mark Thorson enjoys exposing you for the fraud that you are.  I enjoy watching him do it.   — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants            were standing on my shoulders."  (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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There is a person by the name of Mark Thorson who is a well known fearmonger and a junior sheriff of the quacks. He continues to make posts about Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder having dangerous chemicals in it

Mark Thorson is a lackey for Barrett. He is obsessed with repeated postings. He never learns. The Cell Tech experience taught him nothing. He had to make a retraction. He continually insists he didn’t lie. He is fooling no one. There is a reason for retractions. retract: 1 : to draw back or in <cats retract their claws 2 a : TAKE BACK, WITHDRAW <retract a confession b : DISAVOW Jan

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He continually insists he didn’t lie.

I have many times asked you for an example of one of these LIES you claim I told, and you have not been able to post EVEN ONE example. You have posted examples of what OTHER PEOPLE have said about my postings, but those are not examples of any statement I made which is a LIE. You have posted statement you made by assembling fragments of my statements together to form new statements, but those are not examples of statements I made. You have NEVER posted an example of any whole statement I made which is a lie.  I have asked you to back up your accusation with an example of one of these lies you claim I told, but you never do.  You usually just ignore my request — as though it does not matter whether I actually told a lie or not. That is the way you work — you make FALSE accusations in an attempt to smear the reputation of honest people, then ignore any requests to back up those accusations with any evidence. You have no morals.  You have no shame. You are a despicable human being.

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There is a person by the name of Mark Thorson who is a well known fearmonger and a junior sheriff of the quacks. He continues to make posts about Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder having dangerous chemicals in it even though he knows perfectly well that this ginseng is organically grown in a rugged mountainous region of Korea with no roads. The information he posts is an attempt to keep this most powerful food from the people of the U.S. This posted FDA report is an out of context report with no test data shown because there is none. It is a fabrication. A trick. He knows that this ginseng has saved the lives and restored the health of hundreds of thousands of people in Asia  and Canada. He supports the drug companies agenda in America, to stop any natural products from being sold because it will further demonstrate the fact that GOD given remedies exist to support our health. Bing Han is not only perfectly safe, it is eaten by millions of people and is the most powerful health booster that GOD gave to us all.  If it was at all harmful it would not be for sale in the U.S. It is legally and safely landed and being eaten by American citizens who know better.

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There is a person by the name of Mark Thorson who is a well known fearmonger and a junior sheriff of the quacks.

That’s your mischaracterization — a propaganda trick to try to get people to disregard the facts that I post. He continues to make posts about Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder having dangerous chemicals in it even though he knows perfectly well that this ginseng is organically grown in a rugged mountainous region of Korea with no roads.

Only I know what it is that I know, and I know no such thing. I have no idea where in Korea it is grown, or what the roads are like.  You are lying when you make that assertion, but lying is nothing new for you.  You have frequently lied in the past to sell your inferior ginseng product. The information he posts is an attempt to keep this most powerful food from the people of the U.S. This posted FDA report is an out of context report with no test data shown because there is none. It is a fabrication. A trick.

Baloney.  It is reliable information.  Much more reliable information than lies from a ginseng saleman. He knows that this ginseng has saved the lives and restored the health of hundreds of thousands of people in Asia  and Canada. He supports the drug companies agenda in America, to stop any natural products from being sold because it will further demonstrate the fact that GOD given remedies exist to support our health.

Only I know what it is that I know, and I know no such thing. I don’t believe your ginseng has saved any lives, much less "hundreds of thousands".  Once again, you are lying, but lying is nothing new for you.  You have frequently lied in the past to sell your inferior ginseng product. Bing Han is not only perfectly safe, it is eaten by millions of people and is the most powerful health booster that GOD gave to us all.  If it was at all harmful it would not be for sale in the U.S. It is legally and safely landed and being eaten by American citizens who know better.

If the FDA had reason to be concerned about residues of harmful pesticides in the product, they would take action against its import, as they have done as recently as May of this year. Quoting from this file: http://www.fda.gov/ora/oasis/5/ora_oasis_i_54.html Refusal Actions by FDA as Recorded in OASIS    Country of Origin                     Entry #   DOC  Line Suffix    Manufacture Name    City / ISO Country Code                                  District    Product Code        Product Description                           Date                              Reason [. . .]     Taiwan, Republic Of China          310-5216341-2  1    1     Bing Han Enterprises Ltdpharmaceutical Factory     Tainan , TW                                             CIN-DO     54YBZ04   PANAX GINSENG, PERSONAL SHIPMENT                         02-MAY-2003                        PESTICIDES

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Legalize prostitution: was Tom Sizemore Spiraling Career

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On 28 Aug 2003 10:25:02 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. Schaumlau) wrote: >> >Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality and so has >> >to resort to paying for pussy. >> Are you rally so stupid that you believe Hugh Grant and Heidi Fleiss’ >> client list couldn’t get laid without paying for it?   What a complete >> moron you are. >Then why rely on Fleiss? If someone like Hugh Grant can get prime >pussy for free, why pay?

because it is fun and exciting to rent the time of a woman who is a complete stranger, for total anonymous uninhibited sex.   >You just shitfaced your own argument, bub.

Nope, you are just too fucking dumb to understand the reality that there are guys who have no problem getting laid, who also enjoy a quick fuck with a hot stranger.  Especially if you are married, wining and dining and romancing other women is a dangerous and problematic game.  Much better to just pick up a hot little ho and go at it! >Either it’s fat ugly guys who can’t get it otherwise or retarded rich >people who pay for something they can get for free. Either way, we are >dealing with freakin morons.

Nope, a lot of customers are just fun loving guys, who get off on hookers. >> Plenty of nice, normal, good looking guys just get off on the thrill >> of picking up a complete stranger, and having sex with her within >> minutes, without going through the stupid ritual of convincing her to >> like you.   >Picking up pussy casually is neither nice, normal, or the behavior of >good looking guys. Yes, I’m sure there are sex maniacs who need it all >the time, no matter what city they are in, and I’m sure they get a >thrill out of cheating on their girlfriends and wives. I mean a nice, >normal, good looking guy should be able to easily to find a suitable >mate, right? No? Does he have to rely on 15 minute thrill pussies? Or, >is the cheating part of the thrill?

Screwing a beautiful stranger that you just met minutes ago is thrilling indeed!  I love prime rib, but I don’t eat it every day. >> You are just a prude and a control freak, who is obviously enraged by >> the fact that other people enjoy their lives! >And, you’re a pervert and you want control over women by buying them >like pieces of meat. You want society to decline just so you can enjoy >your sick life.

So? >> >Once it’s legalized I think I’ll start a brothel business. There seems >> >to some stupid dimwit ladies in this ng who think it’s liberating to >> >spread their cunts wide open to strangers all day and night for cash. >> >And, there are plenty of balding, potbellied, stinky old coots or >> >pimple faced young losers here who need hookers to get laid. >> Like Hugh Grant?  Ha ha ha! >I don’t think Hugh Grant is all too proud of what he did.

I’m sure he regrets getting caught.

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On 28 Aug 2003 17:32:29 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. Schaumlau) wrote: >> >>>I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and >> >>>civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be >> >>>two kinds of people. >> >>>Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality…. >> Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much >> money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, gifts, >> etc.? >I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my life.

Ah, it all makes so much sense now!!!

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In alt.support.marriage rander3…@rrogers.com wrote: > And you are misguided.  Ask any cop why they shoo hookers out of > areas;  It’s not because of the sex, it is because of the drug use > and the SCUM that comes with it.

Streetwalkers are only one sort of prostitute, and one which is a way of practicing the trade which is illegal even in places where prostitution is legal.  Virtually _all_ of the complaints about prostitution center around issues relating to streetwalking, and not legalized prostitution through brothels, massage parlors, escort services, or individual prostitutes (either doing "delivery" or working out of apartments.)

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 05:36:50 GMT, rander3…@rrogers.com wrote: >>He posted a long list of well thought out arguments as to why >>prostitution should be legal, and the best you can come up with in >>response is that some hookers would still take drugs? >>You are a true joke.  Should we make palying the guitar illegal, >>because some musicians take drugs, too? >And you are misguided.  Ask any cop why they shoo hookers out of >areas;  It’s not because of the sex, it is because of the drug use >and the SCUM that comes with it. >-Rich

The fact that you listen to the opinion of anyone stupid enough to be a cop only proves you are a moron.  Your post was also totally nonresponsive to the musician example, by the way, which had nothing to do with sex. The problems associated with illegal prostitution exist because it is illegal.  If it were legal, and the girls had decent working conditions, the environment would improve tremendously. The morons with badges you quote are the cause of the problem of which they complain.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:22:19 GMT, jd…@yahoo.com (Kendricks) wrote: >On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:24:18 GMT, rander3…@rrogers.com wrote: >>On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:30:42 GMT, "David" <darknig…@earthlink.net> >>wrote: >>>Ok, tell me why it is legal in someplace like Amsterdam? It is legalized, >>>taxed and policed because they were able to get over their stupid fears and >>>anxiteies about sex. I went there when I was in the Navy years ago and it >>>was such an eye opener. >>>The only thing that they are looking for is LSD, Crack, and Heroin. Besides >>>the fact that it is legal in some parts of Nevada, and no one complains. >>>Because of the moronic teachings of repressive religions, and Puritanistic >>>mores of society, we can show blood guts and gore on tv, but DO NOT SHOW >>>NAKED BREASTS, PENISES OR CROTCH SHOTS. >>>If prostitution was legalized in this country, there would be fewer rapes, >>>there would fewer prostituion related crimes, drug use would go down among >>>prostitutes, and if people would pull their heads out of their asses, they >>>would see that sex is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. Breast >>>feeding in public is court room fodder these days when it shouldn’t be. >>>Look at the crime statistics in Britain, Amsterdam, and parts of Canada >>>where prostitution is not shuuned. I would bet that the rates are lower than >>>they are here and it all has to do with attitudes and morality. >>>If prostitution were legalized, >>>1. AIDS related illnesses would decrease. >>>2. neighborhoods would no longer be areas of drive by shootings, drug >>>transactions and crime. >>Sure.  Hookers wouldn’t use drugs if hooking was legal. >>You people actually belive this? >>-Rich >He posted a long list of well thought out arguments as to why >prostitution should be legal, and the best you can come up with in >response is that some hookers would still take drugs? >You are a true joke.  Should we make palying the guitar illegal, >because some musicians take drugs, too?

And you are misguided.  Ask any cop why they shoo hookers out of areas;  It’s not because of the sex, it is because of the drug use and the SCUM that comes with it. -Rich

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:24:18 GMT, rander3…@rrogers.com wrote: >On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:30:42 GMT, "David" <darknig…@earthlink.net> >wrote: >>Ok, tell me why it is legal in someplace like Amsterdam? It is legalized, >>taxed and policed because they were able to get over their stupid fears and >>anxiteies about sex. I went there when I was in the Navy years ago and it >>was such an eye opener. >>The only thing that they are looking for is LSD, Crack, and Heroin. Besides >>the fact that it is legal in some parts of Nevada, and no one complains. >>Because of the moronic teachings of repressive religions, and Puritanistic >>mores of society, we can show blood guts and gore on tv, but DO NOT SHOW >>NAKED BREASTS, PENISES OR CROTCH SHOTS. >>If prostitution was legalized in this country, there would be fewer rapes, >>there would fewer prostituion related crimes, drug use would go down among >>prostitutes, and if people would pull their heads out of their asses, they >>would see that sex is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. Breast >>feeding in public is court room fodder these days when it shouldn’t be. >>Look at the crime statistics in Britain, Amsterdam, and parts of Canada >>where prostitution is not shuuned. I would bet that the rates are lower than >>they are here and it all has to do with attitudes and morality. >>If prostitution were legalized, >>1. AIDS related illnesses would decrease. >>2. neighborhoods would no longer be areas of drive by shootings, drug >>transactions and crime. >Sure.  Hookers wouldn’t use drugs if hooking was legal. >You people actually belive this? >-Rich

He posted a long list of well thought out arguments as to why prostitution should be legal, and the best you can come up with in response is that some hookers would still take drugs? You are a true joke.  Should we make palying the guitar illegal, because some musicians take drugs, too?

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:30:42 GMT, "David" <darknig…@earthlink.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ok, tell me why it is legal in someplace like Amsterdam? It is legalized, >taxed and policed because they were able to get over their stupid fears and >anxiteies about sex. I went there when I was in the Navy years ago and it >was such an eye opener. >The only thing that they are looking for is LSD, Crack, and Heroin. Besides >the fact that it is legal in some parts of Nevada, and no one complains. >Because of the moronic teachings of repressive religions, and Puritanistic >mores of society, we can show blood guts and gore on tv, but DO NOT SHOW >NAKED BREASTS, PENISES OR CROTCH SHOTS. >If prostitution was legalized in this country, there would be fewer rapes, >there would fewer prostituion related crimes, drug use would go down among >prostitutes, and if people would pull their heads out of their asses, they >would see that sex is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. Breast >feeding in public is court room fodder these days when it shouldn’t be. >Look at the crime statistics in Britain, Amsterdam, and parts of Canada >where prostitution is not shuuned. I would bet that the rates are lower than >they are here and it all has to do with attitudes and morality. >If prostitution were legalized, >1. AIDS related illnesses would decrease. >2. neighborhoods would no longer be areas of drive by shootings, drug >transactions and crime.

Sure.  Hookers wouldn’t use drugs if hooking was legal. You people actually belive this? -Rich

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -David wrote: > Ok, tell me why it is legal in someplace like Amsterdam? It is > legalized, taxed and policed because they were able to get over their > stupid fears and anxiteies about sex. I went there when I was in the > Navy years ago and it was such an eye opener. > The only thing that they are looking for is LSD, Crack, and Heroin. > Besides the fact that it is legal in some parts of Nevada, and no one > complains. Because of the moronic teachings of repressive religions, > and Puritanistic mores of society, we can show blood guts and gore on > tv, but DO NOT SHOW NAKED BREASTS, PENISES OR CROTCH SHOTS. > If prostitution was legalized in this country, there would be fewer > rapes, there would fewer prostituion related crimes, drug use would > go down among prostitutes, and if people would pull their heads out > of their asses, they would see that sex is not a bad thing or > something to be ashamed of. Breast feeding in public is court room > fodder these days when it shouldn’t be. Look at the crime statistics > in Britain, Amsterdam, and parts of Canada where prostitution is not > shuuned. I would bet that the rates are lower than they are here and > it all has to do with attitudes and morality. > If prostitution were legalized, > 1. AIDS related illnesses would decrease. > 2. neighborhoods would no longer be areas of drive by shootings, drug > transactions and crime. > 3. Areas would be designated like Nevada where it is policed, > licensed, and taxed. > 4. Prostitutes would no longer be unwelcomed "guests" on street > corners of businesses, neighborhoods and alleyways. > 5. Allow prostitutes the ability to get an education while working to > rise above the menial way of life. > 6. It would reduce the Police Force to responding to prostitutes > working the streets, removing them and filling up the jails. > 7. It would also reduce the time Law Enforcement spends on paperwork, > travel time and arresting prostitutes. > Lets see someone dispute these facts. I think that the United States > is blind and immature when it comes to sex, nudity, and physical > needs that we humans yearn for on a daily basis. Why is it that we, > as a nation, revel in bloodshed, but will refuse someone to view two > people making love without obscuring it with thin veils and drapes? > Pornographic videos are the #1 seller at the video store as well as > the most rented. Don’t believe me? Look up the statistics. > Grow up, America, and deal with prostitution on an adult level, not > as some half brained idiot who is afraid of what we see in the mirror > everyday.

I wish you would get off the fence and say exactly what you think. — Later Kal — ——————————————————— /                                                       / /                                                       / /           This space for rent                 / /                                                       / /                                                       / ———————————————————

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Ok, tell me why it is legal in someplace like Amsterdam? It is legalized, taxed and policed because they were able to get over their stupid fears and anxiteies about sex. I went there when I was in the Navy years ago and it was such an eye opener. The only thing that they are looking for is LSD, Crack, and Heroin. Besides the fact that it is legal in some parts of Nevada, and no one complains. Because of the moronic teachings of repressive religions, and Puritanistic mores of society, we can show blood guts and gore on tv, but DO NOT SHOW NAKED BREASTS, PENISES OR CROTCH SHOTS. If prostitution was legalized in this country, there would be fewer rapes, there would fewer prostituion related crimes, drug use would go down among prostitutes, and if people would pull their heads out of their asses, they would see that sex is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. Breast feeding in public is court room fodder these days when it shouldn’t be. Look at the crime statistics in Britain, Amsterdam, and parts of Canada where prostitution is not shuuned. I would bet that the rates are lower than they are here and it all has to do with attitudes and morality. If prostitution were legalized, 1. AIDS related illnesses would decrease. 2. neighborhoods would no longer be areas of drive by shootings, drug transactions and crime. 3. Areas would be designated like Nevada where it is policed, licensed, and taxed. 4. Prostitutes would no longer be unwelcomed "guests" on street corners of businesses, neighborhoods and alleyways. 5. Allow prostitutes the ability to get an education while working to rise above the menial way of life. 6. It would reduce the Police Force to responding to prostitutes working the streets, removing them and filling up the jails. 7. It would also reduce the time Law Enforcement spends on paperwork, travel time and arresting prostitutes. Lets see someone dispute these facts. I think that the United States is blind and immature when it comes to sex, nudity, and physical needs that we humans yearn for on a daily basis. Why is it that we, as a nation, revel in bloodshed, but will refuse someone to view two people making love without obscuring it with thin veils and drapes? Pornographic videos are the #1 seller at the video store as well as the most rented. Don’t believe me? Look up the statistics. Grow up, America, and deal with prostitution on an adult level, not as some half brained idiot who is afraid of what we see in the mirror everyday.

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"Kal Alexander" <kemi…@yahooxxx.com> wrote in > To quote Adrian Cronauer…. > "You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."

Careful, you almost went on-topic there.                       Dusty — This week’s column: http://dusty.booksnbytes.com/columns/2003/2003_0824.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kendricks wrote: > On 28 Aug 2003 17:32:29 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. > Schaumlau) wrote: >>>>>>I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and >>>>>>civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be >>>>>>two kinds of people. >>>>>>Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality…. >>>Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much >>>money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, gifts, >>>etc.? >>I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my life. > Ah, it all makes so much sense now!!!

Yep, you don’t need Sigmund Freud to figure this one out. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: > "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message <news:4bs3b.21370$8i2.13061@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>… >>Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: >>>jd…@yahoo.com (Johnnie Kendricks) wrote in message <news:3f4e09cd.34631234@news.cis.dfn.de>… >>>>On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. >>>>Schaumlau) wrote: >>>>>I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and >>>>>civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be >>>>>two kinds of people. >>>>>Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality….

See below. >>Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much >>money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, gifts, >>etc.? > I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my life.

Well, looks like I’ve solved this particular mystery. By your own definitions, you’re just "too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality". — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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In article <3877299b.0308280925.23436…@posting.google.com>, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com says… > Then why rely on Fleiss? If someone like Hugh Grant can get prime > pussy for free, why pay?

I think it was Charlie Sheen that said: "I don’t pay them to come over.  I pay them to leave." I.E.  Its a business relationship, and not a clingy fan with a potential of nastyness for just a one night stand. –Carlos V.

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deering1 wrote: > "Jason H. Schaumlau" wrote: > >I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in > my life. > That explains it all. > C. > ** > (Just too hard to see them as real people instead of "vessels of > corruption or purity" eh? g!)

Wow, what a hypocrite.  All this is leading up to you telling us how amazing and free of charge your sexual experiences are.  That should be a hoot.  Of course, if you’re afraid to talk about such things, you’re actually agreeing with the guy.

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"Jason H. Schaumlau" wrote: > I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my life.

That explains it all. C. ** (Just too hard to see them as real people instead of "vessels of corruption or purity" eh? g!)

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:05:23 +1000, "Tai" <tainu…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Kendricks wrote: ><snip> >> Screwing a beautiful stranger that you just met minutes ago is >> thrilling indeed!  I love prime rib, but I don’t eat it every day. >Sheesh, your poor wife. I wonder if she has any idea she’s not ‘prime rib’. >Tai

I must not have made myself clear.  She is the prime rib, but I still go out for a cheeseburger every now and then.

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Kendricks wrote:

<snip> > Screwing a beautiful stranger that you just met minutes ago is > thrilling indeed!  I love prime rib, but I don’t eat it every day.

Sheesh, your poor wife. I wonder if she has any idea she’s not ‘prime rib’. Tai

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: > "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in > message > <news:4bs3b.21370$8i2.13061@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>…   >> Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: >>> jd…@yahoo.com (Johnnie Kendricks) wrote in message >>> <news:3f4e09cd.34631234@news.cis.dfn.de>… >>>> On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. >>>> Schaumlau) wrote: >>>>> I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity >>>>> and >>>>> civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will >>>>> always be >>>>> two kinds of people. >>>>> Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality…. >> Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much >> money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, >> gifts, >> etc.? > I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in > my life.

To quote Adrian Cronauer…. "You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history." But the mating thing……  I’d stick to never with that one, dude. — Later Kal — ——————————————————— /                                                       / /                                                       / /           This space for rent                 / /                                                       / /                                                       / ———————————————————

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"Jason H. Schaumlau" <jasonschaum…@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3877299b.0308281632.56009bd7@posting.google.com… > I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my

life. Hey, you no play-a da game, you no make-a de rules, eh?                                 Dusty — This week’s column: http://dusty.booksnbytes.com/columns/2003/2003_0824.html

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In article <3877299b.0308280925.23436…@posting.google.com>, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. Schaumlau) says: >I don’t think Hugh Grant is all too proud of what he did.

‘Course not- ’cause he got *caught*!         -Kenny — Kenneth R. Crudup    Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home:   3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (562) 961-7300 Work:   2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905          (949) 252-1111 X240

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"Steven D. Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message <news:4bs3b.21370$8i2.13061@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: > > jd…@yahoo.com (Johnnie Kendricks) wrote in message <news:3f4e09cd.34631234@news.cis.dfn.de>… > >>On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. > >>Schaumlau) wrote: > >>>I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and > >>>civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be > >>>two kinds of people. > >>>Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality…. > Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much > money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, gifts, > etc.?

I don’t bother with women. Too much trouble. Never dated nor mated in my life.

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Jason H. Schaumlau wrote: > jd…@yahoo.com (Johnnie Kendricks) wrote in message <news:3f4e09cd.34631234@news.cis.dfn.de>… >>On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. >>Schaumlau) wrote: >>>I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and >>>civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be >>>two kinds of people. >>>Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality….

Tell me, when you won the heart of your "woman of quality," how much money did it cost you for restaurants, movies, theatre, travel, gifts, etc.? >>> and so has >>>to resort to paying for pussy. >>Are you rally so stupid that you believe Hugh Grant and Heidi Fleiss’ >>client list couldn’t get laid without paying for it?   What a complete >>moron you are. > Then why rely on Fleiss? If someone like Hugh Grant can get prime > pussy for free, why pay?

For one thing, people vary enormously in libido.  A man may desire sex far more often than his "woman of quality" mate does. Also, his "woman of quality" might be too embarrassed or inhibited to engage in certain sex acts that her mate strongly desires. Not all "women of quality" like to engage in anal sex, S&M, group sex, or lap dances. But I’m sure there are courtesans who will do it with you–for a price. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. Schaumlau) wrote: >I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and >civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be >two kinds of people. >Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality and so has >to resort to paying for pussy.

Are you rally so stupid that you believe Hugh Grant and Heidi Fleiss’ client list couldn’t get laid without paying for it?   What a complete moron you are. Plenty of nice, normal, good looking guys just get off on the thrill of picking up a complete stranger, and having sex with her within minutes, without going through the stupid ritual of convincing her to like you.   You are just a prude and a control freak, who is obviously enraged by the fact that other people enjoy their lives! >And women too dumb and/or lazy to find dignified labor and settles for >earning her daily bread and satellite tv by spreading her legs to >putrid male customers in smoky motel rooms. >These two types of losers deserve eachother. The rest of us should >just tax them and use the money to clean up the sewage, repair roads, >etc. >Once it’s legalized I think I’ll start a brothel business. There seems >to some stupid dimwit ladies in this ng who think it’s liberating to >spread their cunts wide open to strangers all day and night for cash. >And, there are plenty of balding, potbellied, stinky old coots or >pimple faced young losers here who need hookers to get laid.

Like Hugh Grant?  Ha ha ha!

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jd…@yahoo.com (Johnnie Kendricks) wrote in message <news:3f4e09cd.34631234@news.cis.dfn.de>… > On 27 Aug 2003 23:54:37 -0700, jasonschaum…@hotmail.com (Jason H. > Schaumlau) wrote: > >I give up. I had higher standards for what constituted humanity and > >civilization, but it’s quite obvious that there are and will always be > >two kinds of people. > >Guys too pathetic to win the heart of any woman of quality and so has > >to resort to paying for pussy. > Are you rally so stupid that you believe Hugh Grant and Heidi Fleiss’ > client list couldn’t get laid without paying for it?   What a complete > moron you are.

Then why rely on Fleiss? If someone like Hugh Grant can get prime pussy for free, why pay? You just shitfaced your own argument, bub. Either it’s fat ugly guys who can’t get it otherwise or retarded rich people who pay for something they can get for free. Either way, we are dealing with freakin morons. > Plenty of nice, normal, good looking guys just get off on the thrill > of picking up a complete stranger, and having sex with her within > minutes, without going through the stupid ritual of convincing her to > like you.  

Picking up pussy casually is neither nice, normal, or the behavior of good looking guys. Yes, I’m sure there are sex maniacs who need it all the time, no matter what city they are in, and I’m sure they get a thrill out of cheating on their girlfriends and wives. I mean a nice, normal, good looking guy should be able to easily to find a suitable mate, right? No? Does he have to rely on 15 minute thrill pussies? Or, is the cheating part of the thrill? > You are just a prude and a control freak, who is obviously enraged by > the fact that other people enjoy their lives!

And, you’re a pervert and you want control over women by buying them like pieces of meat. You want society to decline just so you can enjoy your sick life. > >And women too dumb and/or lazy to find dignified labor and settles for > >earning her daily bread and satellite tv by spreading her legs to > >putrid male customers in smoky motel rooms. > >These two types of losers deserve eachother. The rest of us should > >just tax them and use the money to clean up the sewage, repair roads, > >etc. > >Once it’s legalized I think I’ll start a brothel business. There seems > >to some stupid dimwit ladies in this ng who think it’s liberating to > >spread their cunts wide open to strangers all day and night for cash. > >And, there are plenty of balding, potbellied, stinky old coots or > >pimple faced young losers here who need hookers to get laid. > Like Hugh Grant?  Ha ha ha!

I don’t think Hugh Grant is all too proud of what he did. The man was sexually ill and had emotional problems with the opposite sex. There was physical violence involved. And, if it’s not such a big deal, why did Elizabeth Hurley leave his scrawny ass?  Was she too prudish?  If Hugh Grant is your model of manhood, I feel sorry for you, bub. Still, I’m for legalizing prostitution because I want to make money off guys like Grant and your fat ugly self.

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Even normies can't think on Lithium

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57  what doean "even normies"?Normals are by definition "dull,asleep,average",and "out of one’s mind","chronically normal."harry

  just having fun…as if R D Laing were still with us.harry

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  long ago in school after i was celebrating my first publications in psy. journals,the Jungian guy of the dep’t informed me that the average number of readers for an academic journal was 1 .is that right?I hope not.harry

Well, I’m sure it’s higher, espcially for academics and reseach positions. in the wonderful world of publish or perish, hiring and tenure granting decisions are often influenced my the number of articles and the prestige of the journals in which they were written. I once had an exerience in a class on History of the Near East where the Prof actually insisted on cites from published articles in the field and proper use and itigration of said material, use of footnotes, etc. In some circles it counts a lot and it always enhances a resume. Maggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   long ago in school after i was celebrating my first publications in psy. journals,the Jungian guy of the dep’t informed me that the average number of readers for an academic journal was 1 .is that right?I hope not.harry Well, I’m sure it’s higher, espcially for academics and reseach positions. in the wonderful world of publish or perish, hiring and tenure granting decisions are often influenced my the number of articles and the prestige of the journals in which they were written. I once had an exerience in a class on History of the Near East where the Prof actually insisted on cites from published articles in the field and proper use and itigration of said material, use of footnotes, etc. In some circles it counts a lot and it always enhances a resume. Maggie

                     i was told the articles would help in gaining admission to a doctoral program.(i never found out).they were proudly placed on my resume with no perceptible response.but,i got hired.and they found i could write.God only knows.This is an anti-intellectual part of the planet.harry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57  what doean "even normies"?Normals are by definition "dull,asleep,average",and "out of one’s mind","chronically normal."harry

   long ago in school after i was celebrating my first publications in psy. journals,the Jungian guy of the dep’t informed me that the average number of readers for an academic journal was 1 .is that right?I hope not.harry

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Wow Maggie, It is good to know more about you. But those tests! That would have felt very discouraging for me, I would have needed to remind myself that I was a Stanford MBA. My experience with Effexor matches yours. I was such a klutz mentally that my pdoc actually said that it was time to yank the drug. Me, I was too spacey to know any better. But then he pointed out that, on Effexor, I would never finish my dissertation (lots of memory, abstract cognitive planning, and in my case statistical analysis). He was right. I don’t know if I had been on lower doses of Effexor if my situation would have been better — I was up to the maximum dosage and one notch past that. Here is for smart bipolar women in particular, and all of us somewhat invisible and way underachieving but very gifted bipolars! -G

Sometime about a year and a half ago……before Lamactil, I was approved for Voc. Rehabilitation but it was detirmened that I was not ready to be rehabiitated yet. During that adventure I ws sent to a 5 day 8-5 work evaluation center and given a battery of tests. I was doped up to the gills on effexor, 300 mgs daily, and never left the house. My work evaluation revealed bottom 2% on manual tasks such as putting together a braided belt.  At the time, the hand tremor was so bad that my bank had actually called me because they thought someone was forging my signature on small checks to Pizza Hut home delivery and such. I was so frustrated with these manual tests that I actually walked out on day 3 teling them that I would gladly take a zero on this section but would, under no circumstances take another one of those tests.  Frustraton level was hair trigger in those days. I did terrible on the tests where you had to regognize if two 9 digit numbers were the same or different…..I’m a dyslexia suspect, but the one that absolute blew my mind was that they rated me at 8th grade level on math!  I was at the 65% on the GRE (measuring college graduates who wanted to go to grad school only.  I’ve been through Calculas. i work in a field where I had to pass lisencing exams that required me to do internalt rate of return, point of diminishing returns, complicatedfinancial forcasting using mathmatical analysis ond on and on. My cognative and spacial inteligence was only pasable on tests where they transpose trianges, etc. in a picture  and you have to determine which of 3 models are the same. Of course, they said my verbal and written was "off the chart",,,,,,,no surprise because I made a good living as a writer for almost 15 years. This bothered me because I’m no dummie.  In fact, I was among the 1st batch of women Standford MBA’s. How badly does beening doped up on Effexor diminish IQ……and is it permanent.?  At the time of these tests I’d been on it, at that level. for only a year and a half! What’s worse?  Losing a huge amount of IQ and abitiy on the meds for this stupid disorder, or the ugly alternatives to going unmedicated. And we wonder why some peple aren’t med compliant. Maggie My liver was okay as of last physical in November.

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Wow Maggie, It is good to know more about you. But those tests! That would have felt very discouraging for me, I would have needed to remind myself that I was a Stanford MBA.

Thanks, G.  You know, the most frustrating part was that I KNOW I’m smart.  My GRE verbal was 93rd percentile.  Going to B-School was a real push, especially for a Philosophy BA.  I was, however, a testiment to the fact that I wanted the best credentials I could get in order to have access to the best career I could get. I know this effexor was a disaster for me, but in fairmess to my p-doc, I was at such an incredibly high risk of suicide that that seemed to be the evel that took her 18 months to put me on a mood stabelizer, I’ll never know, but to her credit, when we say the huge difference it made, even in a short time, she apologiesed for not thinking of it before. The saddest thing about meds is that if you wait for a complete breakdown to be diagnosed, you aren’t always able to be vivigilent in getting the best care. My experience with Effexor matches yours. I was such a klutz mentally that my pdoc actually said that it was time to yank the drug. Me, I was too spacey to know any better. But then he pointed out that, on Effexor, I would never finish my dissertation (lots of memory, abstract cognitive planning, and in my case statistical analysis). He was right

Hang in there, G!  You can do it! What’s your field?  What’s your topic? Here is for smart bipolar women in particular, and all of us somewhat invisible and way underachieving but very gifted bipolars! -G

I confur with that one.  sometimes just doing what it takes to get the the day is an achievement. Looking back, I know that I’ve had some pretty spectatular achievements……not brain surgery, of course, but still. I think the fact that my primary manifestation has always been depression, have never had more that hypomania, and was a generally high achiever made me harder to diagnose untilo the BP2 his the DMS?????whatever you call it.  That section sounds exactly like me from 50 paces. I firmly beieve that BP and IQ ore largely, perhaps exculsivly functons of heredity. My non-BP sister had the same scores on the GRE that I did, within a varaiation of +/- 2%.  My parents are very bright, as are my siblings and cousins on both sides of the family.   I’ve noted that the BP runs in my mother’s maternal line and it is so prevelant that it couldn’t be missed.  The severity of the illoness varies to a wide degree. I often wonder what I might have pulled off if I hadn’t spent so much effort fighting off suicide. Thanks, G. What an intereting group this is! Maggie Who cudda been a contendah!

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I got a smile out of this one. No, my guess would be considerably higher, but still less than 50 . Start with the number of authors in the journal = n I’m sure that each academic would read their article one more time just to admire how it looked in print. I would! Then you would need to add +1 (for the poor editor who has to wade through the article and plead for revisions). Depending on how badly written the article was this could range 1-10. Actually a more accurate guess would add double the number of graduate students for each academic author, = n + 1 + 2n because they would be required to read it at least twice, hanging out at the pundit’s foot and all. That would be my guess.  <grin This, of course, begs the question —     ?How many people read asdm posts? Since it appears that you and I both have scientific backgrounds we could conduct a tidy little scientific study. But how would we handle the issue of how far into a thread a post was made (posts further into a thread are read less, a regrettable confound)? I suppose that would require a multiple regression analysis (sigh), but now this place feels like work, and not like a fun place to be any more! -G  what doean "even normies"?Normals are by definition "dull,asleep,average",and "out of one’s mind","chronically normal."harry

   long ago in school after i was celebrating my first publications in psy. journals,the Jungian guy of the dep’t informed me that the average number of readers for an academic journal was 1 .is that right?I hope not.harry

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What I meant by that is that Lithium has an absolute, negative effect upon cognitive processing. Many of the drugs — antidepressants in particular — have a selective response. So if you gave antidepressants to a "normie" they don’t get high. They are mostly unaffected. Lithium is an equal opportunity disabler. -G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57

 what doean "even normies"?Normals are by definition "dull,asleep,average",and "out of one’s mind","chronically normal."harry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57

 what doean "even normies"?Normals are by definition "dull,asleep,average",and "out of one’s mind","chronically normal."harry

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: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57

It’s not good for fetus’ or neonates either.. Lithium CATEGORY:D 8% risk of serious cardiovascular anomaly, 2.7% risk of Ebstein anomaly REF:1 BREAST FEEDING: Contraindicated [G3]. NEONATAL SIDE EFFECTS:Hypotonia,bradycardia — "Most people are pantywaists. Exercise is good for you." -EMMA ‘GRANDMA’ GATEWOOD,  at age 67 first woman to thru-hike the Appalachian Trail (1955), 1887-1973

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Sometime about a year and a half ago……before Lamactil, I was approved for Voc. Rehabilitation but it was detirmened that I was not ready to be rehabiitated yet. During that adventure I ws sent to a 5 day 8-5 work evaluation center and given a battery of tests. I was doped up to the gills on effexor, 300 mgs daily, and never left the house. My work evaluation revealed bottom 2% on manual tasks such as putting together a braided belt.  At the time, the hand tremor was so bad that my bank had actually called me because they thought someone was forging my signature on small checks to Pizza Hut home delivery and such. I was so frustrated with these manual tests that I actually walked out on day 3 teling them that I would gladly take a zero on this section but would, under no circumstances take another one of those tests.  Frustraton level was hair trigger in those days. I did terrible on the tests where you had to regognize if two 9 digit numbers were the same or different…..I’m a dyslexia suspect, but the one that absolute blew my mind was that they rated me at 8th grade level on math!  I was at the 65% on the GRE (measuring college graduates who wanted to go to grad school only.  I’ve been through Calculas.   i work in a field where I had to pass lisencing exams that required me to do internalt rate of return, point of diminishing returns, complicatedfinancial forcasting using mathmatical analysis ond on and on. My cognative and spacial inteligence was only pasable on tests where they transpose trianges, etc. in a picture  and you have to determine which of 3 models are the same. Of course, they said my verbal and written was "off the chart",,,,,,,no surprise because I made a good living as a writer for almost 15 years. This bothered me because I’m no dummie.  In fact, I was among the 1st batch of women Standford MBA’s. How badly does beening doped up on Effexor diminish IQ……and is it permanent.?  At the time of these tests I’d been on it, at that level. for only a year and a half! What’s worse?  Losing a huge amount of IQ and abitiy on the meds for this stupid disorder, or the ugly alternatives to going unmedicated. And we wonder why some peple aren’t med compliant. Maggie My liver was okay as of last physical in November.

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BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown cognitive impairment in short-term memory, long-term memory and psychomotor speed in bipolar patients taking lithium. The aim of the study was to look at the effect of lithium in normal subjects <snip In short-term memory tasks, the performance of subjects in the lithium group was worst 3 weeks after lithium treatment compared to 2 weeks after discontinuation. In long-term memory, a significantly higher number of words was recalled by the placebo group but not the lithium group. CONCLUSIONS: Lithium may have an effect on learning when long-term explicit memory test are administered repeatedly. It means that the practice effect when a subject performs the same task several times is less in the lithium-treated group than in the placebo group. This practice effect is related to the learning of a task. Author   Stip E; Dufresne J; Lussier I; Yatham L Affiliation Centre de Recherche Fernand Seguin, Montreal, Canada Source   Journal of affective disorders, 2000 Nov, 60(3):147-57

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Breastfeeding and the gang prison rape guy (Mark Lowry, MD)

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<snip the usual Todd,      Can you enlighten us all as to why you no longer have a job…nor, even, a license to practice chiropractic? Mark, (practicing) MD P.S.  I still hope Yurko dies a horrifying, painful death.  I have seen children who have been beaten to death by adults.  It’s unmistakable, it’s stomach-churning, and it is unforgivable.  (Sorry, Mother Theresa I ain’t.)

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(Sorry, Mother Theresa I ain’t.)

Well, thank God for that!

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<snip the usual Todd,      Can you enlighten us all as to why you no longer have a job…nor, even, a license to practice chiropractic? Mark, (practicing) MD P.S.  I still hope Yurko dies a horrifying, painful death.  I have seen children who have been beaten to death by adults.  It’s unmistakable, it’s stomach-churning, and it is unforgivable.  (Sorry, Mother Theresa I ain’t.)

In almost all cases, what goes around, comes around.  It is just a manner of patience.  It would be nice to hear that Yurko was beaten to death and to hear about the beatings of a few child abusers, but sadly that probably isn’t going to happen anytime soon. — "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke (1917 – ), "Technology and the Future"

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This chiro *has* invented/seems to be the only one persistently promoting – a powerful way to massively increase IMMUNIZATIONS.

you "invented" breast feeding?? how quaint an idea I am a practicing *DC* – one who chooses to remain unlicensed.  I limit my chiropractic practice to EDUCATION – that vast neglected area of

actually.."Practicing ANY form of health care" without a valid and current license IS prohibited by law in every state of the union… you MAY pontificate about ANY damn well crazy thing you choose…but if you claim to be "practicising" chiro and admit to having no license..where may I report you to the authorities…??? reach in vagina, *pull* on sacrum during MRI

REACH in the vagina??? surely you jest….for that an "unlicensed" anything is asking for charges of assault and battery… yes…you are a troll..and a dangerous one…

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GANG PRISON RAPE (AND MURDER) GUY… MARK LOWRY, MD once called for the gang prison rape (and murder) of a man already convicted of killing his child…

"I hope Yurko is repeatedly and violently raped in prison, over and over, on many, many occasions until he dies of blood loss from a shredded rectum…I mean it…." http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=5ee850fe.0201021320.18e277… sting.google.com (See the Alan Yurko note below.) Mark, what treatment do you recommend for MDs who are senselessly closing birth canals – sometimes killing babies – and "scientifically" covering up with x-radiation (and now MRI)? See Flip women over, reach in vagina, *pull* on sacrum during MRI! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2012 (Remember Mark, MDs have been covering up their grisly obstetric crime by LYING – and by only *pushing* on the sacrum during "recent parturient" x-rays… Please join me in encouraging MRI and x-ray sacroiliac motion researchers to start PULLING on sacral tips…) BREASTFEEDING…What EXACTLY does Mark the gang prison rape guy recommend?

"BREASTFEEDING = CHIROPRACTIC IMMUNIZATION…I would LOVE to call breastfeeding MEDICAL immunization too – but MDs are lying by omission thereby DENYING massive numbers of babies massive numbers of these free daily immunizations!  See below…" http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=4IkN… %24Io.7318591%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net "1)  Chiros didn’t invent breastfeeding…2)  I recommend BF[breastfeeding]….3)  Piss off, Troll…[signed]…Mark, (practicing) MD" http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5ee8… 07041704.50a4d5d3%40posting.google.com Mark, This chiro *has* invented/seems to be the only one persistently promoting – a powerful way to massively increase IMMUNIZATIONS. MDs (your profession) drastically REDUCED the rate of immunizations… MDs addicted this country to formula feeding by helping infant formula manufacturers parade formula as the "scientific" way to feed babies. MDs  still help infant formula manufacturers peddle infant formula in hospitals. Mark, you say you "recommend" breastfeeding… The question is, HOW? Do you encourage OBs to tell new mothers:  Please at least ATTEMPT to breastfeed – because starting babies on infant formula DENIES them free daily immunizations called breastfeedings? Do you encourage OBs to tell new mothers of the medically-concealed FACT that breastfeeding women are IMMUNIZERS who scan their environments for pathogens and manufacture IMMUNIZATIONS which they "inject" with their breasts? What woman – EXPLICITLY INFORMED of this medically-concealed fact – is not going to at least ATTEMPT to offer her baby free daily immunizations? Mark, I would LOVE to hear otherwise – but I suspect that when you "recommend" breastfeeding – you are – like the rest of your profession – LYING BY OMISSION – committing mass IMMUNOLOGIC child abuse – denying massive numbers of babies massive numbers of free daily immunization. It is time to bring the immunization rate WAY back up… Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo off, Troll…[signed]…Mark, (practicing) MD.") I am a practicing *DC* – one who chooses to remain unlicensed.  I limit my chiropractic practice to EDUCATION – that vast neglected area of chiropractic practice which requires neither DC license nor DC degree. "My" definition of chiropractic has now been published in three editions of Dorland’s Illustrated Medical Dictionary – including the 2000 edition – inspite of ACA censorship attempts^^^… http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=4IkN… %24Io.7318591%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net Mark, you are an MD-pediatrician – but you can still join me in practicing chiropractic education.  True chiropractic education values TRUTH most highly – so it is *quite* different than medical education. Your profession engages in OTHER forms of mass child abuse… For example, some MD-pediatricians may STILL be claiming "babies can’t feel pain" thereby helping each other (and MD-obstetricians) perpetuate Amerrican medicine’s grisly most frequent surgical behavior toward males… This just-mentioned mass MALE genital mutilation by MDs occurs shortly after MD-obstetricians "perform" mass FEMALE genital mutilation – American medicine’s grisly most frequent surgical behavior toward females… BE ADVISED MARK:  MD-obstetricians are slashing vaginas (euphemism "routine episiotomy") – surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring they are doing everything possible to OPEN birth canals – even as they CLOSE birth canals! See Squatting, Nurse Jenn’s genital piercing, the Anti-Vagina – and Kingston General’s Human Mobility Centre… http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bssafvkcunlekjo4lcqnmorscmukn204… x.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain It is quite understandable, Mark, that you would dismiss as a "troll" someone who persists in pointing out your profession’s massive crimes. Mark, as noted above, you called for the gang prison rape (and murder) of a man already convicted of killing his child… http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=5ee850fe.0201021320.18e277… sting.google.com I’ll ask again:  What treatment do you recommend for MDs who are senselessly closing birth canals – sometimes killing babies – and "scientifically" covering up with x-radiation (and now MRI)? Again, see Flip women over, reach in vagina, *pull* on sacrum during MRI! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2012 Again, MDs have been covering up their grisly obstetric crime by only *pushing* on the sacrum during "recent parturient" MRIs. I recommend pardons in advance for MDs.  MDs are just academic prime cuts forced through this culture’s most powerful mental meatgrinder – medical school. Thanks for reading, Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo ALAN YURKO:  Medical malpractice/criminal negligence may have killed Alan’s baby.  For details, go to http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/gorecompl.html Here’s an excerpt of Yurko’s complaint (THIS IS INCREDIBLE):  "[Shashi B. Gore, MD] testified that he did not seek or review medical history of the decedent, which would have revealed a 75-hour course of heparin overdose in an absolutely contraindicated setting (decedent had received iatrogenically 1095 IUs of heparin every five hours, whereas maximum dosage for this infant, according to the Physicians Desk Reference (2002 and 1997 editions), is only 125 IUs of heparin every five hours…heparin was absolutely contraindicated due to the high risk of hemorrhage…Also attached is an article which reports on Dr. Gore’s incompetence, and an internal investigation which revealed that, among other things, hundreds of cases in his care have been cross-contaminated as early as 1994…" http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/gorecompl.html GASTALDO REMARKS:  I am assuming that Alan Yurko is quoting the medical record and the PDR correctly.  It appears to me that Alan Yurko was *wrongly* convicted – by MDs – to cover-up MD malpractice/criminal negligence.  Now, thanks in large part to the staunch support of wife Francine – and the support she and others have marshalled – Alan has won an appeal of his life in prison conviction.  Quite a feat.  As I’ve said before, REGARDLESS whether Alan is guilty – MDs are *routinely* abusing babies – sometimes killing them – and lying to cover-up.  To be logically consistent, the gang prison rape and murder guy – Mark Lowry, MD – should be calling for the gang prison rape and murder of MDs who are abusing science – and babies – sometimes fatally.  Again, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs.  Mark himself may have slashed a penis or two – as his tiny victims screamed in protest.  Perhaps Mark also slashed a vagina or two during his training.  These are OBVIOUS crimes yet unprosecuted because MD-funded law enforcement is looking the other way. See again:  Squatting, Nurse Jenn’s genital piercing, the Anti-Vagina – and Kingston General’s Human Mobility Centre… http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bssafvkcunlekjo4lcqnmorscmukn204… x.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain I say again:  I call for pardons in advance for MDs.  MDs are just academic prime cuts forced through this culture’s most powerful mental meatgrinder. Pardons in advance – and civil suits – will allow MDs to keep working – so they can pay parents for their crimes against babies.  Whining "Piss off troll" doesn’t cut it Mark.  You guys are obvious criminals – occasional

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Arrests for traffic violations

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Or better yet limit their ability to sue someone else when they are injured while not wearing a seat belt, helmet, or whatever.

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Do they also stipulate what color socks we should wear …

Since when does the color of your socks constitute a risk to your life and limb? … and what cars we can drive?

In a sense, yes. Cars that don’t meet US safety standards can’t be sold or licensed in this country, so for all practical purposes you can’t drive one of them. So there. <g GB in NC

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  Roadwarrior, do you polish your jack-boots? Cass

NAAAHH,he just polishes his knob.I guess thats why he is so ill-tempered.

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Do they also stipulate what color socks we should wear …

This article doesn’t say, but you’ll be glad (not) to know that your tax dollars where in part spent on a statistical study which listed injuries by sock/stocking color.

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Or better yet limit their ability to sue someone else when they are injured while not wearing a seat belt, helmet, or whatever.

Yabut… We are talking about kids getting hurt before lawsuits become an issue. If the adults in charge of kids’ safety leave them unbuckled, in an overheated car, alone in front of a liquor store with the engine running, or a host of other things you can see on any evening news show, I have to come down on the side of protecting those kids from their adults. As for adults who won’t protect themselves, they are usually the low IQ ones who have no job, so no health insurance, and I have to pay the county hospital to pour their (small) brains back into their shattered skulls. As soon as their casts are dry, they begin to bitch about their rights to hurt themselves any way they want, but none of these "individual rights advocates" have ever exercised their individual right to send me a reimbursement check. More talk than walk. –RW

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Do they also stipulate what color socks we should wear and what cars we can drive? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

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Oh..and I forgot to mention: My old 78 dodge class C doesn’t even HAVE passenger safety belts in the rear. And it only has lap belts in the driver and front passenger position. So my daughter can’t "buckle up" …so I guess I’m going to jail if I’m stupid enough to visit that town… which I won’t.

| *sigh* | | America becomes more of a police state by the day. | | When I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s we traveled a lot, pulling a trailer all | over the place, I slept on the back window deck when I was little. Later, | I’d sprawl out on the seat. When I was really small I often rode on my | mother’s lap.  A risk? Sure, but everything in life is a risk. Everything. | The only sure thing is you’ll never get out life alive. | | I could have choked on a sandwich. I could have died fishing in rivers when | I was 8, too, or been killed by animals when we lived in the woods outside | of Redding, California. But I didn’t. And just because there is a risk does | not mean there should be a law against it.  That’s the error of | government-as-strict-parent thinking. I hate it. | | Give me liberty….. | | | |

| | "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be | | arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced | Wednesday. | | Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to | | care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily | | place their children in foster care." | | | | El Paso Times, 6/12/03 | | | | Comments? | | | | Max | | | | | | |

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roadwarrior, You say that folks who don’t buckle up should be cited and punished and then repeat offenders should get increasing penalties. When, if ever, are you sheeple going to realize that we are headed more and more towards a facist police state. Life cannot be guaranteed by laws nor should it be. Roadwarrior, do you polish your jack-boots? Cass

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max To distinguish themselves from trolls, people sometimes provide a link, like: http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030612-124119.shtml Anyway, bad idea. The arrest process has never been intended as a punishment in and of itself, as appears to be the case here, and the police should never, under any circumstances whatsoever, be allowed to mete out punishment — that is the courts’ job, after a conviction by a jury of one’s peers. Sounds like El Paso County needs a new sheriff, one who has read the Constitution and who knows his place. That said, people who don’t buckle up children or themselves should be cited and punished. Repeaters should get increasing penalties to include permanent loss of driver’s license. –RW

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*sigh* America becomes more of a police state by the day. When I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s we traveled a lot, pulling a trailer all over the place, I slept on the back window deck when I was little. Later, I’d sprawl out on the seat. When I was really small I often rode on my mother’s lap.  A risk? Sure, but everything in life is a risk. Everything. The only sure thing is you’ll never get out life alive. I could have choked on a sandwich. I could have died fishing in rivers when I was 8, too, or been killed by animals when we lived in the woods outside of Redding, California. But I didn’t. And just because there is a risk does not mean there should be a law against it.  That’s the error of government-as-strict-parent thinking. I hate it. Give me liberty…..

| "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be | arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. | Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to | care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily | place their children in foster care." | | El Paso Times, 6/12/03 | | Comments? | | Max | | |

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The cars I had when my kids were little didn’t have seat belts I don’t believe "horse and buggy" qualify as a car. Tom

Blaccccck. That’s a cheap shot. I was a buckboard. Couldn’t afford a buggy. — http://www.bobhatch.com Our web site about RV Stuff A work in progress

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Well, the seconfd part of that messagew , about CPS, is typical American Law enforcement Lunacy. If they pulled their heads from their asses they might notice how badly CPS damages kids. Warp em mentally or damage em physically. MLM

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

Land of the Free ??? — BrentC remove the obvious to email

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The cars I had when my kids were little didn’t have seat belts

I don’t believe "horse and buggy" qualify as a car. Tom

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great idea. "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

Sure is great, and lets get with the plan and shoot all jaywalkers as well, then we might as well get rid of this Land of the free BS and have it replace with "The Land of the Terminally Obtuse’ Wade

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Sounds like a good plan.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great idea. "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max Sure is great, and lets get with the plan and shoot all jaywalkers as well, then we might as well get rid of this Land of the free BS and have it replace with "The Land of the Terminally Obtuse’ Wade

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Yeah, where will it all stop? Sheesh, a woman can’t even nurse her kid on the turnpike anymore. <g http://wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=6689 Woman caught breastfeeding while driving on turnpike OHIO TURNPIKE — A woman who claims she was breast-feeding while driving on the turnpike, has plead not guilty to multiple charges. — NOTE: E-mail to this address is automatically deleted without being read. Simply remove the temperature-related portion of the domain to e-mail me.

That along with dogs when driving is dumb Wade

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

That’s curious, so vehicles (like some school buses) that have NO seatbelts, and carry kids, (by the wording) can be used as an excuse to arrest and jail the parents and take away their kids…. Hmmmmmmmmm Sounds like whoever proposed THAT proposal was probably either drunk or high on drugs, no thought seems to have gone into it. Read the article….No exceptions… Borderland in brief: Adults to be arrested for unbuckled kids Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. The new program is a response to recent traffic deaths investigated by deputies in which two children died. Neither was wearing a seat belt. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having the Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care.

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care."

Very extreme over-reaction on the part of law enforcement.

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Wade, Besides shooting the jaywalkers, cross-posters and off-topic posters could also be shot which would make just as much sense. Cass

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great idea. "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max Sure is great, and lets get with the plan and shoot all jaywalkers as well, then we might as well get rid of this Land of the free BS and have it replace with "The Land of the Terminally Obtuse’ Wade

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

To distinguish themselves from trolls, people sometimes provide a link, like: http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030612-124119.shtml Anyway, bad idea. The arrest process has never been intended as a punishment in and of itself, as appears to be the case here, and the police should never, under any circumstances whatsoever, be allowed to mete out punishment — that is the courts’ job, after a conviction by a jury of one’s peers. Sounds like El Paso County needs a new sheriff, one who has read the Constitution and who knows his place. That said, people who don’t buckle up children or themselves should be cited and punished. Repeaters should get increasing penalties to include permanent loss of driver’s license. –RW

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments?

Another prime example of the govt. and their attempts to protect us from ourselves (and parents) from cradle to grave. It’s a pure wonder that those of us over about 30 ever lived to see today. When I grew up cars didn’t have seat belts. The cars I had when my kids were little didn’t have seat belts. I’m not saying they are not a good idea, (they are), but I’m getting damn sick and tired of government continuing to pass laws and regulations to enforce my behavior. Arrest the parents! What a bunch of crap. — http://www.bobhatch.com Our web site about RV Stuff A work in progress

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Great idea.

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All I can say is, Jesus tap-dancing Christ, next they will be arresting parent who have children with untied shoelaces, in case they trip and bash in their face. Give em an inch they take a mile. question..any one here ever see a kid who drops a toy..or something take off his own seatbelt????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care."

Yeah, where will it all stop? Sheesh, a woman can’t even nurse her kid on the turnpike anymore. <g http://wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=6689 Woman caught breastfeeding while driving on turnpike OHIO TURNPIKE — A woman who claims she was breast-feeding while driving on the turnpike, has plead not guilty to multiple charges. — NOTE: E-mail to this address is automatically deleted without being read. Simply remove the temperature-related portion of the domain to e-mail me.

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"Parents and caretakers who fail to buckle up children in vehicles will be arrested, El Paso County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Wednesday. Officials warn that adults arrested who cannot immediately find someone to care for their children risk having Child Protective Services temporarily place their children in foster care." El Paso Times, 6/12/03 Comments? Max

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deep dark confession, advice requested

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I was diagnosed in January as Type II.  I had a reading of 325 or so. Doc put me on meds to bring down bg readings.  Metformin didn’t have a big immediate effect as I had to start at such low levels but glucotrol did.  I felt like hell for about 2-3 weeks as my readings dropped into the low 100’s and then it just disappeared as my body grew accustomed to such "low" (normal) levels.  It’s a passing phase, don’t sweat it.  I found that a walk helped get rid of the shakes although I would test first to make sure I wasn’t truely low.

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It’s does suck Esther… But early detection and knowledge can get see you through to the point of typing with one hand because you have your grandbaby in your lap!!! Hang in. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was afraid of reading that. Yes. That’s what it means. Jennifer . . *    Casual plasma glucose (taken at any time of the day) of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl. . . . What exactly does this mean? If I **ever** see two readings .   200 mg/dl, regardless of last eating time, then it’s . diagnostic? (In which case I’ve already DXed myself, even . if my Primary Care doc hasn’t DXed me.) . . baby in lap . one hand typing . . Esther . fastings < 100 mg/dl . 2 hr PPs all over the map .

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I was afraid of reading that. Yes. That’s what it means. Jennifer

. . *    Casual plasma glucose (taken at any time of the day) of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl. . . . What exactly does this mean? If I **ever** see two readings .   200 mg/dl, regardless of last eating time, then it’s . diagnostic? (In which case I’ve already DXed myself, even . if my Primary Care doc hasn’t DXed me.) . . baby in lap . one hand typing . . Esther . fastings < 100 mg/dl . 2 hr PPs all over the map .

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Yes. That’s what it means. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *    Casual plasma glucose (taken at any time of the day) of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl. What exactly does this mean? If I **ever** see two readings   200 mg/dl, regardless of last eating time, then it’s diagnostic? (In which case I’ve already DXed myself, even if my Primary Care doc hasn’t DXed me.) baby in lap one hand typing Esther fastings < 100 mg/dl 2 hr PPs all over the map

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*    Casual plasma glucose (taken at any time of the day) of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl.

What exactly does this mean? If I **ever** see two readings   200 mg/dl, regardless of last eating time, then it’s diagnostic? (In which case I’ve already DXed myself, even if my Primary Care doc hasn’t DXed me.) baby in lap one hand typing Esther fastings < 100 mg/dl 2 hr PPs all over the map

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The problem with A1c as a screening test is false negatives. If you have a high A1c, especially if it’s *very* high, that’s not at all good. However, a low A1c doesn’t mean you *don’t* have carbohydrate metabolism problems.

Very true. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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<snip Can A1C be diagnostic?

It was in my case. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, none of you sound like a broken record. Thank you for the advice. I think you’re collectively saying to suffer through the crud feeling until my BGs come down. My fastings are still < 100 mg/dl. It’s those doggone PPs that are all over the board. Is there a DX test other than the GTT? one handed typing, baby in lap forgive typos and poor grammar The last time I took the GTT, I had an allergic reaction. Bad news. Can A1C be diagnostic? Two fasting BGs over 126 = diagnostic.  Some may diagnose based on A1c results.  I would find that sensible. The problem with A1c as a screening test is false negatives. If you have a high A1c, especially if it’s *very* high, that’s not at all good. However, a low A1c doesn’t mean you *don’t* have carbohydrate metabolism problems.

Yes, I was thinking in A1c as "rule in" and not "rule out." Priscilla — Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

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If your A1c is very high (over 7) I would think that that would absolutely indicate diabetes. However, a high but normal A1c, might not tell the whole picture. Here’s the "official" diagnostic protocol. A diagnosis of diabetes is made when any three of these tests is positive, followed by a second positive test on a different day: *       Fasting plasma glucose of greater than or equal to 126 mg/dl. *       Casual plasma glucose (taken at any time of the day) of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl. *       Oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) value of greater than or equal to 200 mg/dl measured at a two-hour interval. The OGTT is given over a three-hour timespan. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, none of you sound like a broken record. Thank you for the advice. I think you’re collectively saying to suffer through the crud feeling until my BGs come down. My fastings are still < 100 mg/dl. It’s those doggone PPs that are all over the board. Is there a DX test other than the GTT? one handed typing, baby in lap forgive typos and poor grammar The last time I took the GTT, I had an allergic reaction. Bad news. Can A1C be diagnostic? Esther

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, none of you sound like a broken record. Thank you for the advice. I think you’re collectively saying to suffer through the crud feeling until my BGs come down. My fastings are still < 100 mg/dl. It’s those doggone PPs that are all over the board. Is there a DX test other than the GTT? one handed typing, baby in lap forgive typos and poor grammar The last time I took the GTT, I had an allergic reaction. Bad news. Can A1C be diagnostic? Two fasting BGs over 126 = diagnostic.  Some may diagnose based on A1c results.  I would find that sensible.

The problem with A1c as a screening test is false negatives. If you have a high A1c, especially if it’s *very* high, that’s not at all good. However, a low A1c doesn’t mean you *don’t* have carbohydrate metabolism problems. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, none of you sound like a broken record. Thank you for the advice. I think you’re collectively saying to suffer through the crud feeling until my BGs come down. My fastings are still < 100 mg/dl. It’s those doggone PPs that are all over the board. Is there a DX test other than the GTT? one handed typing, baby in lap forgive typos and poor grammar The last time I took the GTT, I had an allergic reaction. Bad news. Can A1C be diagnostic?

Two fasting BGs over 126 = diagnostic.  Some may diagnose based on A1c results.  I would find that sensible. Priscilla — Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

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No, none of you sound like a broken record. Thank you for the advice. I think you’re collectively saying to suffer through the crud feeling until my BGs come down. My fastings are still < 100 mg/dl. It’s those doggone PPs that are all over the board. Is there a DX test other than the GTT? one handed typing, baby in lap forgive typos and poor grammar The last time I took the GTT, I had an allergic reaction. Bad news. Can A1C be diagnostic? Esther

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, help me here. I physically feel best when my BG is too high. At 180 mg/dl I feel like I can think straight, like I can accomplish any thing I set my heart to do… I feel good! At 120 mg/dl I feel so-so. Not great, not miserable. At 100 mg/dl I’m starting to feel like crud. Truly crud. I’m hungry. I’m shaky. I am easily confused. I know 180 mg/dl is BAD BAD BAD and that I should not be at that level. Do you have ideas to help me? Thanks in advance. Esther – GDM several times over, not officially T2 (not currently pregnant, but lactating)

Slowly reduce the carbs to slowly reduce the bg’s, once you get used to lower bg’s you won;t feel the hypo type symptoms.  At risk of sounding like a broken record, I still believe you are diabetic.  No non diabetic has those sort of numbers all the time.

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Here’s the thing Esther… You WILL feel like crud with normal BGs because your body has gotten used to high BGs. BUT, sadly while you FEEL better, the high BGs are slowly silently doing damage to small blood vessels and organs. How to fix this? Keep your BGs normal, feel like crud for awhile.  Once you reaclimate to normal BGs you will feel fine. Now.  I do have to point out that most women who have GDM do go on to be diagnosed with diabetes. Having numbers in the 180’s now, kind of indicates that.   I’m sure you have a meter… so you may want to spend a week checking your numbers. If they are over normal most of the time, call your doctor for more tests. Normal is: Fasting:   Under 110 1 hour post meal:   Under 140 2 hours post meals:   Under 120 Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, help me here. I physically feel best when my BG is too high. At 180 mg/dl I feel like I can think straight, like I can accomplish any thing I set my heart to do… I feel good! At 120 mg/dl I feel so-so. Not great, not miserable. At 100 mg/dl I’m starting to feel like crud. Truly crud. I’m hungry. I’m shaky. I am easily confused. I know 180 mg/dl is BAD BAD BAD and that I should not be at that level. Do you have ideas to help me? Thanks in advance. Esther – GDM several times over, not officially T2 (not currently pregnant, but lactating)

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Do you have ideas to help me?

You have to get used to it.  Once you’re used to it, you’ll feel like crud at 180 and you’ll feel well at under 100. — Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, help me here. I physically feel best when my BG is too high. At 180 mg/dl I feel like I can think straight, like I can accomplish any thing I set my heart to do… I feel good! At 120 mg/dl I feel so-so. Not great, not miserable. At 100 mg/dl I’m starting to feel like crud. Truly crud. I’m hungry. I’m shaky. I am easily confused. I know 180 mg/dl is BAD BAD BAD and that I should not be at that level. Do you have ideas to help me? Thanks in advance. Esther – GDM several times over, not officially T2

If you’re not officially T2 and yet you have BG as high as 180; shouldn’t you be diagnosed?  As far as the BG goes, your body could have just adjusted to the higher BG.  Once you get your BG down and keep it down, you’ll feel better.  The breast feeding could also be the problem.  When I was breast feeding, I was constantly thirsty and hungry.  Then again, I think I really had undiagnosed T2 during that time too. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Folks, help me here. I physically feel best when my BG is too high. At 180 mg/dl I feel like I can think straight, like I can accomplish any thing I set my heart to do… I feel good! At 120 mg/dl I feel so-so. Not great, not miserable. At 100 mg/dl I’m starting to feel like crud. Truly crud. I’m hungry. I’m shaky. I am easily confused. I know 180 mg/dl is BAD BAD BAD and that I should not be at that level. Do you have ideas to help me? Thanks in advance. Esther – GDM several times over, not officially T2 (not currently pregnant, but lactating)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, help me here. I physically feel best when my BG is too high. At 180 mg/dl I feel like I can think straight, like I can accomplish any thing I set my heart to do… I feel good! At 120 mg/dl I feel so-so. Not great, not miserable. At 100 mg/dl I’m starting to feel like crud. Truly crud. I’m hungry. I’m shaky. I am easily confused. I know 180 mg/dl is BAD BAD BAD and that I should not be at that level. Do you have ideas to help me?

When your body is used to running high, you will feel like crud at lower levels. It takes time to accustom yourself to the new norm. Have you "sacrificed" two or three weeks to trying to get used to lower levels, to see if your mood and concentration improve? — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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